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proffighter 09-29-2025 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 12539379)
I’ll confuse things a little more
The factory uses regular nuts and waves washers on the thermostat, breather cover.
Don’t use nyloc nuts inside the engine, use regular nuts, waves washers, locker washers on the oil pump.
Bruce

Wave washers (and others) are removed from DIN since they were found useless...

DIN 127, DIN 128 and DIN 6905
DIN 137 and DIN 6904
DIN 6797
DIN 6798
DIN 93, DIN 432 and DIN 463
DIN 526
DIN 7967

mikedsilva 09-29-2025 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by proffighter (Post 12539707)
Wave washers (and others) are removed from DIN since they were found useless...

DIN 127, DIN 128 and DIN 6905
DIN 137 and DIN 6904
DIN 6797
DIN 6798
DIN 93, DIN 432 and DIN 463
DIN 526
DIN 7967

what washers do you use when fastening the cam towers to the heads?

OsoMoore 09-29-2025 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 12539713)
what washers do you use when fastening the cam towers to the heads?

I'd like to know this too! I will go back and check my photos from disassembly.

Also, curious to the expert's opinions on disassembly/cleaning of brand new pistons and cylinders.

Do I pull the pistons out and check the ring alignment?
Do I remove the rings to clean them even more thoroughly?

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1759147667.jpg

Flat6pac 09-29-2025 04:26 AM

I have yet to take apart a factory built motor that had split washers or just flat washers in cam tower or inside the cam boxes.
Don’t worry about ring alignment, the rings will align in moments where they want to run.
I have always had to assemble a new set of Mahles but I’m sure they know more about P&C than we do.
Bruce

OsoMoore 09-29-2025 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 12539729)
I have always had to assemble a new set of Mahles but I’m sure they know more about P&C than we do.
Bruce

That sounds like a story. This is my first (and hopefully only) new piston/cylinder set.

draw 09-29-2025 06:00 AM

Looks to me like the CIS “hump” is oriented at the bottom of the cylinder and it is supposed to be on the left. You’ll need to separate the piston from the cylinder, so you can clean, oil, and orient everything at that time.

Flat6pac 09-29-2025 08:35 AM

What is the weight differences from the other pistons in the set?
Casting in the piston should be 93L7 for 8.5 compression of 78/79, or what is the match number from old pistons in case they were changed?
Yes, the low face of piston goes to the right to face the spark plugs
Bruce

OsoMoore 09-29-2025 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 12539857)
What is the weight differences from the other pistons in the set?
Casting in the piston should be 93L7 for 8.5 compression of 78/79, or what is the match number from old pistons in case they were changed?
Yes, the low face of piston goes to the right to face the spark plugs
Bruce

I have a full new set of identical pistons and cylinders, all Euro 3.0 Liter, 95.0 mm, 9.8:1, Nikasil.

I'm trying to determine if I need to remove all these pistons from their cylinders, clean, oil, borrow/buy the ring compression tool and re-assemble. Or is it OK to lubricate, properly orient the piston, and start putting them on?

targa72e 09-29-2025 09:50 AM

Disassemble and clean. Many have found new P&C to be quite dirty.

John

Flat6pac 09-29-2025 10:18 AM

You just showed one Porsche piston, so I was inquiring
By the box, you purchased directly from dealer?
Maybe that’s why they were pre assembled…
Bruce

OsoMoore 09-29-2025 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 12539916)
You just showed one Porsche piston, so I was inquiring
By the box, you purchased directly from dealer?
Maybe that’s why they were pre assembled…
Bruce

That could be - I bought them through a local shop that helped me organize and build a full parts list, and is providing some guidance for my work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by targa72e (Post 12539898)
Disassemble and clean. Many have found new P&C to be quite dirty.

John

Sounds like a plan. I'm pulling up videos of the process and will begin cleaning shortly. I'm looking to borrow the compression tools to put it all back together.

Flat6pac 09-29-2025 05:34 PM

Just go to NAPA and get the metal coil that uses 1/4 inch drive to tighten
Usually less than $10 on their tool tree.
The band with locking pliers may not have the correct band for 95mm and it has more bands than you’ll ever need or use..but the pliers are good for pulling the fan housing band together to get the bolt in.
Bruce

OsoMoore 09-29-2025 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 12540121)
Just go to NAPA and get the metal coil that uses 1/4 inch drive to tighten
Usually less than $10 on their tool tree.
The band with locking pliers may not have the correct band for 95mm and it has more bands than you’ll ever need or use..but the pliers are good for pulling the fan housing band together to get the bolt in.
Bruce

This thing?

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Flat6pac 09-30-2025 02:26 AM

Yes

stownsen914 09-30-2025 04:38 AM

That's what I used. As long as you are assembling your P&Cs on the bench, it works fine.

OsoMoore 09-30-2025 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by stownsen914 (Post 12540230)
That's what I used. As long as you are assembling your P&Cs on the bench, it works fine.

Sounds good. I'm a little anxious about getting those wire circlips in - they are not normal circlips with holes. Typically this style are inserted with a pusher tool (kind of like an old cigarette lighter).

Flat6pac 09-30-2025 07:14 AM

It takes a lot of wrist action with needle nose pliers and getting them set.
Good option is 22 mm Stomski Racing circlip installer and a nicked screwdriver to install the clip into the tube.
Bruce

OsoMoore 09-30-2025 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat6pac (Post 12540292)
It takes a lot of wrist action with needle nose pliers and getting them set.
Good option is 22 mm Stomski Racing circlip installer and a nicked screwdriver to install the clip into the tube.
Bruce

That's what I was afraid of. I'm hoping my local shop can lend me the circlip tool, especially for the mounting on the rods.

john walker's workshop 10-01-2025 12:54 PM

I used to just push the 22mm clips in with my thumb and finish sliding it into the groove with a screwdriver. The 23mm clips caused me to get the installation tool set.

Flat6pac 10-01-2025 01:05 PM

And way easier with the bottom row of studs out of the way
Bruce


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