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[ventana]

All I can say it that I was seriously thinking of having MM do a rebuild on my 2.7L with CIS. I am certainly grateful to the folks that have taken the time to post here. I will be looking elsewhere for a company to handle my engine repairs. I thought the claims on their website sounded too good to be true.
Ventana

[Lukesportsman]

Stephen at IA is in your neck of the woods. May not be cheapest, but he'll never use newspaper under bearings or mismatched pistons. I even hear that he knows something about building horsepower.

What you'll save in shipping can be applied to parts.

[Phoenix]

It seems as if new MM posts come up once or twice a year.
I for one went throgh the BBB and the California Bureau of Automotive Repair (I believe that's the right name). The former was useless and the latter I spent quite a bit of time with. They have had multiple complaints over the years all basically with no great result. The unofficial advice I received was to gather as many complaintants together for a class action suit.

I've tried this as have others on this board and elsewhere. I am no lawyer but am prepared to do whatever I can and provide whatever documentation I have to support any effort to stop their deceptive and, in my opinion, dangerous practices (keep in mind Phoenix actually caught fire at a busy intersection).

What I see is needed is to get the involvement of a Porsche enthusiast who is also a very good lawyer. Someone who can help pull everyone together and determine what, if any, case can be made. Anyone out there?

At this point my objective is not to be compensated for my losses but rather to keep the next well intentioned but unsuspecting Porsche newbie from falling prey to their ads and making the same mistake I did. If I only knew about this board sooner. Thank God it and others are here and we're at least talking about it.

[sww914]

There's a reason MM is so much cheaper than everyone else.
Either EVERYONE else is a crook, or MM isn't doing the same amount of work at the same quality as everyone else.
In the end, each will decide for themselves, and be happy or sorry.
I have never, in 15 years of Porsche work heard even 1/4th as many bad stories about any shop, supplier, or manufacturer as MM.

[ChrisBennet]

Originally posted by sww914
There's a reason MM is so much cheaper than everyone else.
Either EVERYONE else is a crook, or MM isn't doing the same amount of work at the same quality as everyone else.
In the end, each will decide for themselves, and be happy or sorry.
I have never, in 15 years of Porsche work heard even 1/4th as many bad stories about any shop, supplier, or manufacturer as MM.

The thing is, MM isn't really cheaper. I'm hearing of $10K "rebuilds" not the $3000 they advertise.
-Chris

[Green Light 911]

Your post is working. It stoped me from buying a 911 engine from them. THANK YOU!!!

[laughac]

Originally posted by Green Light 911
Your post is working. It stoped me from buying a 911 engine from them. THANK YOU!!!

How much were they charging, and what size engine was it?

[Green Light 911]

Never got the details. Found one advertised on the web site for 3,500 with core exchange plus shipping. Stopped inquiring after I read the thread. 3.2

[Flat Six, Inc.]

How are these guys still in business??????!

[sww914]

Lots of first time customers responding to their ads.
Unfortunately, Karma takes it's time sometimes.

[Zeke]

Originally posted by sww914
Lots of first time customers responding to their ads.
Unfortunately, Karma takes it's time sometimes.

Exactly. I've not been a MM customer, ever. But, when I bought my first Porsche in '72, I knew nothing. I bought another in '81 and still knew nothing. I stumbled from shop to shop and finally into Andial one day. They took care of the car, but at some expense each time.

When the newbie hears the prices for the first time required for ownership of a Porsche, they tend to think something is not right. I mean, it's true that a shop in Beverly Hills gets more for the same job as one out in the boonies. It's association. so, the newbie sees what appears to be a better deal. In this case (MM), I guess.

I have always looked for a better deal because a carpenter's wages don't go far with a 911. I estimate it costs about 5K a year to own one beyond the payment. Depends a lot on the year and the use, of course. The old adage that they all become 20K cars one way or the other is true. The only way to keep that from piling up fast is to own the car for a long time and not drive it that much.

I deal with the customers and sales every day. Everyone I deal with (with few exceptions) is looking for the best deal they can get. I get compared to immigrant labor daily in my prices to install something. Doesn't matter about my 35 years experience, my license, tools, or insurance. It's the bottom line that gets the job every time. I make less doing more that I ever have because of the immigrant labor problem.

MM will always be here in one form or another. The thing is, *****ty carpentry won't blow up and stop you from getting somewhere.

Anyway, sorry for the long winded post. The fact remains that engine rebuilding sticker shock drives people to look at a 3K rebuild, whether they really want to or not. If the sales job is good, then they dive in.