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I only read and try to draw conclusions. I've read about break in for, what, 30 years? The camshaft manufacturers have their own agenda and it's always been the 20 minute deal. At less than high idle, you have too low of oil pressure.
Why would this be bad for the rings? Do the 20 minute routine for the cams and then do the accelerate/decelerate for the rings. They won't wear the cylinders smooth in 20 minutes the way I see it. |
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No worries, it will work out fine.
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I've been building performance engines of various nature and manufacture for over 15 years now. My break-in procedure has always been that of to pre-pressurize and bleed the oil system, and allow a full and complete warm up period of the motor at a moderate idle(1000rpms or so), leak and temp checks, inspect sub systems, etc. Typically this will take up that 15-20 minute initial run period at which point I shut it down and drop filter/inspect the oil and ad fresh lubricant and filter.
The next step I do is to follow the ring manufactures specified initial ring break in procedure for that exact make of ring being used in the engine. 99% of the time....the ring manufactures will tell you to run it hard. Hastings for example, will tell you to run the engine/vehicle at speed from roughly 30-60mph in a 1:1 gear ratio at WOT, then decelerate in gear to pull vacuum. Do that 10 times for an intial ring break in. We're not bouncing off the rev limiter of hitting fuel cut, nor are we lugging the engine which puts excessive side loads on the rings/pistons. Porsche break ins I'll typically swing them out to sub 6K during the break in for reference. Some Audi and BMW race motors that'll be 8K rpms. It's all subjective and solely based on the motor in question and build specs of THAT motor. After that initial run I then drop and filter the oil again. The motor is then run hard on a dyno for further break in and power readings, or put right into use in spirited/track driving fashion. Rings need compression/vacuum to seat fully and properly. For gas ported pistons using low tension ringsIT'S AN ABSOLUTE MUST.....NO QUESTIONS ASKED RUN IT HARD. Babying the motor is not going to help it any for certain. Vacuum decel is super important too, so don't just clutch the car and coast to a stop during the initial WOT pulls (dyno, street, or track, doesn't matter). Vacuum decel aid in the rings' ability to deglaze the cylinders. New engines have a good amount of blowby and the walls can glazed very easily due to the fuel/oil contamination on the cylinder walls. Glaze prevents proper ring break in. This is how I do it. "Simple" as that ![]()
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Spot on Adam!
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Adam, I wonder if you could expand on how you "pre-pressurize" the oil system. I've been giving myself a headache trying to come up with some "kluge" to do this very same thing but nothing is coming to mind. Does this require some sort of special equipment only a race shop might have?
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Theoretically, I guess you could use an accusump, fill it, close the valve, and pressurize it to pre-oil the engine if you used a manual valve.
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I kept my coil wire off and my fuel pump relay out and cranked her over for several seconds. I think a couple of shots of 15 seconds on the starter will get you what you need. It is amazing how quickly you can hit good oil pressure under just the starter motor.
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Usually we do that with the plugs left out and pack the oil pump with vasoline during assembly to help build pressure faster.
It's interesting to note that doing this we never were able to build enough pressure with my m96 engine for the oil pressure light to go out. We ended up having to fire it up for a split second, then shut down. After a few cycles, the oil light went out, then we let it run.
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Usually back feeds at about 20-30psi pending oil viscosity, but it purges the entire system of air. I'll then drain the case and do a proper oil fill up and crank the motor. I'll typically build solid oil pressure withing 5-10 seconds of cranking the engine. Then I fire it up. I made the system specifically for hydraulic lifter type motors as it purges the valve train of air almost instantly but I just keep making more adapters from various fittings/spare parts to suit any engine I break in here ![]() The pump I use is an old Tilton diff fluid pump that I cleaned and rebuilt, but any good 12v pump that can handle petroleum will work just fine. The stainless tank is just an old water based type fire extingushier. Works perfect for what it does!
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Cool... Adam, can you show a picture of the adapter~pcs you fabbed up to make the connections to the tensioner.
Thanks, bob
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Yeah I'll dig it out today and take a picture for you guys.
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