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Jeff Alton 03-01-2010 02:32 PM

Cool, I will search them out!

efhughes3 03-13-2010 02:02 PM

Well, after being gone all week, today I took my trans to the carwash for a scrub, and stripped the old jugs off. I'll have my heads back this week (chamfering the squish ring for a bit more piston clearance at the transition to the higher dome) and I'll check deck height next weekend and start putting stuff back together. I'm at the point where I'm tired of stripping and cleaning. ;)


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Carrerax 03-14-2010 03:13 AM

Ed, the build looks great! Off topic, can I ask where you bought the floor tiles and if you are happy with them? Thanks, Mark

efhughes3 03-14-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrerax (Post 5235491)
Ed, the build looks great! Off topic, can I ask where you bought the floor tiles and if you are happy with them? Thanks, Mark

Noted above, its good stuff. Got it from their local distributor when he had a sale running a couple of years ago.

efhughes3 03-21-2010 02:48 PM

Haven't been posting here, but I have been working on it with some consistency.

Got the 1-2-3 side together today. I broke an oil ring yesterday trying to get the cylinders stuffed, as I was in a rush (what I mistakenly perceived as one :rolleyes:), so I couldn't get the other side done. I'm sure I'll end up having to buy a new SET of rings, as I've not seen individual cylinder sets (I don't mind having a couple of compression rings in stock) for 98mm pistons. I'll see tomorrow.

I used 1194 on the cam box to heads this time instead of 574. I'd had the small leak after my last build which always gnawed at me, so I'm a bit paranoid on this step of the assembly.

I made a circlip tool using Stomski racing's principle. These were a beyotch to do without it-even on the bench. They are a bit different than what I experienced last time on the stock pistons and circlips. $2 and 30 minutes well spent!

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efhughes3 03-22-2010 07:33 PM

I was able to buy just the one 98mm piston oil ring, so only a $20 mistake.

Then, the mailman delivered this today:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1269315207.jpg

efhughes3 03-27-2010 04:16 PM

Well, at least there are less avenues for dirt to enter the engine now! Next up: Cams!

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jriera 03-29-2010 06:29 AM

Ed, that is looking very good. I will be in San Diego next week, I hope to be able to stop by and say hi.

efhughes3 03-29-2010 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jriera (Post 5264378)
Ed, that is looking very good. I will be in San Diego next week, I hope to be able to stop by and say hi.

Hey Jordi, let me know. I've got one day in Orange County on Weds, and maybe Thurs, but should be around. That changes all too often though. :(

efhughes3 03-30-2010 05:55 PM

Chain boxes on, cams in, timing gear cleaned, beer poured and cigar lit this evening:

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Jeff Alton 03-30-2010 08:28 PM

I think I saw all of the important stuff in those last pictures..... :)

911 tweaks 03-31-2010 03:15 AM

is that a slice of orange in your beer?? must be a corona... ENJOY ED...great job... sorry I did not make it over last month to meet & check out your car & set up...
Bob

snbush67 03-31-2010 09:14 AM

I'll bet its a Blue Moon. Great Job Ed.

efhughes3 03-31-2010 07:13 PM

Yep, Blue Moon!!

snbush67 03-31-2010 09:09 PM

I love beer. Im sure you have had a hoegaarden.

Shane

efhughes3 04-01-2010 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by snbush67 (Post 5270376)
I love beer. Im sure you have had a hoegaarden.

Shane

Indeed I have. Another good one. Ruby, my garage, beer and cigars. What better way to spend a weekend afternoon?

175K911 04-01-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by efhughes3 (Post 5252157)
I was able to buy just the one 98mm piston oil ring, so only a $20 mistake.

Then, the mailman delivered this today:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1269315207.jpg

Hey Ed- good to see your engine build is making better progress than mine. Work just keeps getting in the way! Or maybe I need to replace my Fat Tire and 3Floyds http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1270140556.jpg with a Blue Moon.



I have to ask- where'd you get the 3.4 emblem?

efhughes3 04-01-2010 09:13 AM

I hear you about work, Ed! Although, I'm actually in town for the most part this week and next, I'm just stressed for time.

Got that here.....it is actually a Pelicanite who makes them. I got the 3.2 from him directly several years ago when he did the first run, now Pelican stocks the standard offering and will special order custom such as 3.4 or ??. Probably a month or month and a half wait.

175K911 04-01-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by efhughes3 (Post 5271053)
I hear you about work, Ed! Although, I'm actually in town for the most part this week and next, I'm just stressed for time.

Got that here.....it is actually a Pelicanite who makes them. I got the 3.2 from him directly several years ago when he did the first run, now Pelican stocks the standard offering and will special order custom such as 3.4 or ??. Probably a month or month and a half wait.

Thanks Ed. It's probably a month before my car's back on the ground. Not too much left- build a complete 3.6 (or have Steve W do it), reinstall entire suspension, rewire for 3.6 DME and rear harness, fab front oil cooler lines, install new nose and new tail. About the only thing I don't have to do is put the rear calipers on, never took those off. Think I'll be ready for MidOhio in May?

Do you recall the pelicanite who made that? I think a 3.2 would be a bit hard for most to swallow now, though it might be fun to try passing off the new engine as "stock."

efhughes3 04-01-2010 06:03 PM

He's listed in the part description. Good luck on your work. I've got a lot still too. Hoping to be done before I go to Le Mans, at the latest.

daveytrackels 04-03-2010 07:24 AM

Can someone please explain it to me?

efhughes3 04-03-2010 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by daveytrackels (Post 5274394)
Can someone please explain it to me?

Go away troll

efhughes3 04-03-2010 01:43 PM

Beer and cigar time! (and an update)

Pic 1- Cams in with their O-rings and cam covers and gaskets in. Sprockets mounted for the next step-alignment check.

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Pics 2 and 3- I checked the alignment of the two cam sprockets and their respective idler shaft sprockets. Supposed to be within .25mm (.010") and mine were all within .006" so that was good. Couldn't find a depth gauge I used to have to measure the LH sprocket, so I treated myself to a new 8" digital caliper the get the reach I needed. You also need a good straightedge for this.

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Pic 4- Cam sprockets back in and the chains on them after putting the indexing sprockets in over their woodruff keys. Got to be a bit careful when handling the keys that you don't drop them and they skate down into the case.

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Pic 5- The mechanical tensioners and idler arms installed and ready for timing.

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Pic 6- The "grenades" cocked and ready with their pins (3/16" cotter pins) in place to hold the shafts in. You need to put them in a vise and slowly compress them while catching the oil that gets displaced.

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Pic 7- Installing the #1 intake rocker. One can't have enough extensions to reach the rear most rocker shafts. I'm going with new RSR seals, as I didn't want the old to get compromised with brake cleaner or damaged when removing for cleaning. Another $64 to the total. I also took the tip Wayne referenced in his book back to Walt @ Competition Engineering: I used no assembly lube in the rocker to keep any from being pushed into the cam tower journal by the shaft and creating a slippery situation. You squirt some oil in thru the holes in the rocker to get them lubed after the shaft is locked down.

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Pic 8- The #4 intake rocker also installed. I torqued the rocker shaft bolts to 16 ft-lbs. Stock, or really new spec, is 13.2 ft-lbs, but there are some here that recommend as high as 20 on older engines to ensure a good bite and not get the dreaded "walk" from the shaft. Bruce Anderson states in his book that if you go to 15 ft-lbs and the rocker nut gives enough bite to that end of the shaft so that it requires no wrench to hold it, you should have no issues. Mine held well before the 15 ft-lb mark, so I torqued to that and then went to 16 for good measure.

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Now to find my Z-block and get the dial indicator out. The fun part (the actual cam timing) is next. :eek:

tobyp 04-03-2010 02:03 PM

Nice job Ed. I'm about two weeks behind you building a 2.4MFI motor for Tweety. Great work!

Toby

efhughes3 04-03-2010 02:08 PM

Thanks Toby! Don't count yourself out, you'll probably pass me soon. I feel like I'm moving kinda slow. Too many balls in the air now. Maybe Memorial Day weekend for my target. And if I miss that, I want to be done before I go to Le Mans in June.

If the stars are aligned, and we get another opportunity to work with Patrick later this year, I'm going to try and get Ruby there. Gotta try and keep up with the big boys! Or, at least the Spec Miata...;)

jriera 04-05-2010 03:41 PM

Ed, seems that I will be able to stop by mid afternoon on Friday on my way back from San Diego. I will call you on Friday.

That is looking very good, even if the progress is hinder by beer and cigars!!

efhughes3 04-05-2010 03:49 PM

I may or may not be home Friday Jordi, but give me a call then to see. I may be up in Orange County.

lvporschepilot 04-06-2010 09:30 AM

Nice work there. Will you be retiming the cams to accomodate a different dynamic compression ratio? With your new compression, you can have that intake valve close at a good 7-10 degrees later.

efhughes3 04-06-2010 11:04 AM

Thanks-I've got some suggested specs that I got from John D.

jriera 04-10-2010 05:21 PM

Sorry Ed, I left WAY too late from San Diego and traffic was hell. I may be back in two weeks, I will let you know.

efhughes3 04-10-2010 05:34 PM

An update from today:

I got the cams timed and the tensioners back in. I worked out a better way to do this than last time. With the higher lift cams and the timing specs, along with the "new" cam design which has a bolt holding the sprocket on instead of the old nut, it is tough to time the cams as the minute you loosen the bolt, then load from the valve wants to turn it back to zero. I was looking for .071" in overlap at TDC. When I released the bolt and pulled the pin, the cam would roll back to .010". The last time, I just experimented with crank position and over-compensation on the cam, so that when it rolled back, it went to where I needed it. This was frustrating at best.

This time, I didn't snug the pulley down-instead, I used a spacer so that the bolt would tighten up on the cam, thereby allowing me to turn the cam to where I needed it, putting the pin in the hole, and then putting the washer back on the bolt and snugging down as it should. This allowed me to "dial" both sides in to within .001", which I'm quite please with. I ran each side thru 720 degrees numerous times to double-check, torqued the bolts down, pulled the mechanical tensioners, then installed the real tensioners. This really worked very well. One could just buy a longer bolt and do the same thing, but try and find one in this thread at HD or Lowe's....

Tomorrow- Check valve-piston clearance and then get the rest of the rockers in. Chain covers, oil cooler, valve covers and camlines, and I should be looking at a longblock again.

The contraption:

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Left side:

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Right side ;):

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Timed cams:

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efhughes3 04-10-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jriera (Post 5288226)
Sorry Ed, I left WAY too late from San Diego and traffic was hell. I may be back in two weeks, I will let you know.

No sweat Jordi, I was pretty busy myself yesterday. Hope to see you next trip.

TibetanT 04-10-2010 06:18 PM

Ed:

Good job with the "new" method in cam timing. I like it!

BTW: What type of dial indicator do you use? Make/model. Looks like reading is in both Metric and American. True?

Thanks.

efhughes3 04-10-2010 06:22 PM

Ed- It's an import, inches only, but it reads in both directions. I got the set at LittleMachineShop.com - tooling, parts, and accessories for bench top machinists.

efhughes3 04-11-2010 02:50 PM

I've achieved longblock status again! All rockers in, valves adjusted, oil cooler and cam lines, TWELVE new plugs ;) and the valve covers back on....

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Jeff Alton 04-11-2010 08:24 PM

Nice job my friend! Time for a blue moon!

sp_cs 04-12-2010 10:22 AM

Nice work Ed!

Out of interest, what spark plugs will you be fitting?

Mine was fitted with NGK B8EVX during the rebuild, unsure what was fitted during the last service.

efhughes3 04-12-2010 06:11 PM

Thanks guys.....I did have a couple of beers when I got the valve covers on, admiring my work. I probably won't even see the engine again for 2 weeks, let alone work on it.

I'm sticking with NGK BP7ES's on this one out the box. I don't know if this is correct Shirish, sticking with what the stock plugs would be.

On another note, I ordered the new chip from Steve W the other day. He spent about 20 minutes picking my brain on the specifics and is conjuring up his magic.

Carrerax 04-13-2010 04:51 AM

Can I ask what coating/finish you have on your cam covers etc? Looks great!

efhughes3 04-13-2010 05:13 AM

The fan, housing and valve covers were done with a ceramic coating by an automotive-focused specialty finisher in Arlington, TX.

Quote:

Can I ask what coating/finish you have on your cam covers etc? Looks great!


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