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TurboKraft 11-19-2012 09:32 AM

MAP and Baro sensors
 
Spenny -- thought you decided to run the lab grade pressure transducers?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1353349820.jpg

Spenny_b 11-19-2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboKraft (Post 7100885)
Spenny -- thought you decided to run the lab grade pressure transducers?

Yup, still am Chris...they'll mount behind the cereal packet, hanging down from the bulkhead connector, then hooked up to the -3 hoses with those 90deg fittings you see in the pic of the mock-up.

A 3am finish again this morning (work) then a 7am start to travel up to London means I'm probably not going to get out in the garage tonight, need to get some zzz's...but tomorrow I'll snap a pic of the underside of the sensor station to show better how stuff's connected.

Cheers
S

Spenny_b 11-19-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065 (Post 7100815)

Spencer,

That is a lot of joints, I observe. Not a criticism in the slightest.

The BCS, which looks like a Mac 35 Series solenoid, appears to have 1/8" NPT ports.

So you come out of that with a 1/8" NPT to -4AN male/male.
Then a -4AN female/female?
Then a -4AN tee.
On one leg of the tee, a -4AN 90 elbow.
On the other leg, a straight -4AN.

That is five joints before you get to business.

Could you come out with a 1/8 NPT tee to a pair of -4AN and save two joints per branch?

Yeah, I have deliberated on this combination of fittings for quite a while over the weekend...it's still not something I'm entirely happy with to be honest, and think we're on the same page on this one John.

By fitting the T directly to the BCV with a fem>fem adapter, it does save a few fittings but still, it's not particularly elegant...time for another trip to Think Auto to see what else we could do...like the T with one of the branches as a 1/8th NPT

I'll spend some time drawing up the connections to the WG's, Boost valve, turbo, etc, but yes, pretty much as you have it there; lot's of tee'ing of lines so that both WG's can operate in parallel from the single valve.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065
I find this stuff fascinating, was looking up Turbocharger trim maps the other evening and have ordered a copy of Bell's book on the subject.

You mean this one? :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...CE8902099E.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065
Looking good!

Cheers!

Spenny_b 11-27-2012 04:59 PM

Wastegate Plumbing.....
 
As you may remember from the updates a week or two ago, some of the plumbing possibilities were causing me to spend a lot of time trying stuff out, swap a lot of fittings at Think Auto, and generally drink lots of tea.

But...finally nailed it and have to say, glad I spent the time doing this rather than rush it.

Good suggestion John re the running NPTF/-4AN "T" into the boost control solenoid.

All lines are now in place - albeit only hand tight for the time being - and covered in clear heatshrink to avoid any abrasion.

Those lines that need it have also got lengths of thermo sleeve to protect against local exhaust heat. Rubber grommets also fitted whilst assembling the lines, to seal up the holes in the side tinware.

I also managed to re-use the original spark plug lead clips, to keep the lines pinned to the fan shroud....needed drilling out to 9mm, but not planning on using them with HT leads again!

LH Wastegate --->
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...614B032DC6.jpg

Boost Control Solenoid - yet to be bolted down. I'm planning on making a raised platform to mount it on, then welding this onto the coil/intercooler bracket, so that it clears the nuts and studs...of course, this will be central on the parent bracket. The running "T" is also going to get the de-blueing treatment --->
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...61518B786A.jpg

The "T" fittings to facilitate running 2 x WG's from the single solenoid --->
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...61566C9431.jpg

RHS of shroud --->
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...615B3049F1.jpg

RH Wastegate --->
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...61603F24A0.jpg

Boost signal from charge pipe --->
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...6165F4EDF6.jpg

Next job, to finish the sensor bracket and the hoses that run to those sensors. Been spending time investigating some of the items needed for the wiring loom, like where to take wheel speed sensor signals from for the traction control.

I now have some very nice CAD drawings of the loom. For once, I'm glad it's not me making it!

Spenny_b 12-02-2012 10:56 AM

Sensor bracket
 
Very productive weekend. One of the items now completed is the sensor bracket, which houses:
  • MAP sensor
  • Baro sensor
  • Boost pressure sender (to OBC readout)
  • Fuel pressure sender
  • Oil pressure sender

This is the roughed-out bracket, but far too big (...heavy :p ) --->

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A9CA112FD.jpg

After some slimming down --->

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A628EA24B.jpg

Note the replication of angles and radiused corners, per the TurboKraft I/C bracket ;) (Jony Ive isn't the only aesthete...although that and a British accent is about all I probably have in common :D ) --->

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A6A9B6F38.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A7B71A9CF.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A761CD22E.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A8B7B1A39.jpg

I've just got to be careful not to put any scratches into it before it goes to be anodised in the same black finish as the I/C and associated brackets.

Spenny_b 12-02-2012 11:19 AM

Other weekend progress was to get the exhaust headers welded; previously the wastegate feeds were just tacked, but now all neatly welded by Febweld. Great job as ever. Gave them a quick going over with the wire brush to tidy them up a little:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3DA5D329BB.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3DAB4BD3E0.jpg

Also welded a platform onto the old coil bracket that now houses the boost control solenoid. Now also ready for re-plating:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A86637496.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3A80FFA463.jpg

The fuel return hose from the fuel pressure regulator back to the rail-mounted fitting. Needed to buy a couple of pretty expensive metric fittings for these, as the angles were just too tight without putting in a loop:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3D9F202853.jpg

Hoses to the BOV and boost pressure sender (used for the OBC display) also now finished, along with oil and fuel pressure sender -3 hoses.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3D9909DC7E.jpg

Tonights job is to watch the Steelers at Baltimore and finish the rear valance tinware...a job that's been dragging on for weeks, mainly because it bores me to tears but the sooner I get it done, the sooner I can now get everything off to the powder coating and plating. shops.

keitho64 12-02-2012 01:29 PM

Subscribed.

304065 12-02-2012 04:58 PM

Can't you catch the FPR output with a 120? Looking bloody gorgeous as I have said for years :)

sjf911 12-02-2012 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065 (Post 7128005)
Can't you catch the FPR output with a 120? Looking bloody gorgeous as I have said for years :)

I don't think there is enough room for the fittings. I've tried a number of approaches but settled on using a barb 90 degree elbow with 2 short sections of 5/16 multi-fuel hose and EFI hose clamps. Crude in comparison to above.

Spenny_b 12-03-2012 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065 (Post 7128005)
Can't you catch the FPR output with a 120? Looking bloody gorgeous as I have said for years :)

Thanks John ;)

No, doesn't *quite* work unfortunately....I tried swapping the 120deg elbow onto the FPR, but by the time a straight fitting goes onto the rail, the angle is too tight for a piece of hose (and too short, v little room to fit the gold clamp on). At least this way I can loosen the fittings if needed, to swivel them around to clear "stuff".

Spenny_b 12-04-2012 11:33 AM

A couple more updates this evening. One job that's been puzzling me is thinking about the best way of making a new A/C pump support bracket. The whole setup is quite a lot different from the earlier Carrera's that have the same intake as I'm using; different pump on the 964 Turbos, with a diagonal strut that fixes to a plate that sits under a second plate, holding the P/S pump.

However, the diagonal strut now hits the injection rail; of course, there was no injection rail on the CIS system.

So, working on the premise that it's always easier to get the parts in-situ before trying to over think anything, I finally got around to putting the pump in position, lo-and-behold, the answer was immediately obvious.

This is how the bracket originally located the diagonal strut --->

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...349E960B08.jpg

Lightbulb moment....chop the 90deg return with welded nut, and reverse it --->

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...34B2E80503.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...34AD1A8F8B.jpg

Need to clean that filthy A/C pump. At the very least I can separate the aluminium cradle and get that vapour blasted.....has anyone stripped down a pump before?!

I've also got the turbo oil drain tank tacked-up for dummy fitting...pics of that later.

seth agnew 12-05-2012 04:18 AM

Everything is looking great with your project- speaking of your turbo oil drain pot, was thinking about your turbo cooling comments from a page or so back- have you considered oil cooling the turbo instead of water? Have done this many times and it works great, functional and keeps things compact, no need to run coolant lines, pumps tanks to cool the water jackets. Just have to have the outlet at a slightly HIGHER angle than the inlet. You can use your primary turbo lubrication feed and "T" off it, using one for lube and one for cooling. More than enough volume of oil left over to do the job, esp running a Garrett with restrictor. I personally like the simplicity and as you know, space is always at a premium.

In the pics, the feed side is hard to see but you get the idea.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354713291.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354713327.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354713348.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354713361.jpg

Spenny_b 12-05-2012 08:29 AM

Hi Seth,

Many thanks for taking the time to post some pics...interesting...despite reading about folk using oil to cool the turbo, I've never actually seen photos.

I *thought* I read on another thread that oil was perhaps not the best medium to use, due to its weight and therefore ability to transfer the absorbed heat.....IIRC...just trying to recollect the comments in the other thread.

I actually want to cool the wastegates as well, so need water for that...of course, there'll be plenty of folk screaming that this is all way over the top and unnecessary....this falls very much in the "because I can" and "sod it, lets experiment" category! (along with the eGas/eThrottle and traction control of course) :D

Talking of which, despite me marking up the oil drain tank as accurately as I could, to get it tacked, it was fractionally out on the turbo exit tube when I tried it last night (how bloody predictable), so it's Plan B time....not at home tonight, so no playing, but will post pics as soon as I can...

Spenny_b 12-12-2012 11:29 AM

A couple of updates....
 
So, at long last, the tinware modifications at the rear of the engine are now finished. This was one of those fiddly jobs, needing lots of patience and plenty of cardboard to make templates with. Really glad this one is done!

Very happy with the outcome - I messed up the first attempt, wasn't happy with how I put the stepped folds in, where it fixes to the chain covers. So, attempt #2 and the outcome was FAR better, and also better clearances around the turbo compressor outlet and the oil tank breather tube:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...AF6EB0C55F.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...3BA81A99C4.jpg

Rear tinware now away for final welding, so is the oil catch tank for the turbo...hopefully these will be ready for Friday, then it's off to take a big batch of stuff over to the platers and powder-coating shop. Doubtful whether I'll get everything back for Christmas, but I have another project I'm working on that'll keep me busy over the Xmas/NY break ;)

Spenny_b 12-12-2012 11:52 AM

In parallel with doing the tinware and catch-tank, I've also been investigating a few more options for the eThrottle/eGas.

The plan *was* to use a GM/Vauxhall fly-by-wire throttle pedal and either use the pedal as-is (save for a few fabricated mods to the metal part of the pedal), therefore replacing the stock pedal. Hmm, wasn't too keen on doing this, as I want it to look stock inside....but would've been fairly easy, with just a sub-loom running to the front footwell from the ECU.

Another option was to butcher the same pedal, utilising just the electronic part, then fabricating a lever which could be operated by the original pedal and cable setup. The downside for this was that it'd look a little Heath Robinson, with a pretty long lever to enable the full pedal travel. Accommodating the unit wouldn't be the easiest either, especially with that lever.

Then, on a fly-by visit to SBD the other day, Steve mentioned that he'd sourced an eThrottle position sensor from an Audi A8, fitted to the model before the full electronic pedal was available. A Bosch unit and in summary it was brilliant; small, light and importantly, cable operated with a heavy return spring load, so no complicated cams or levers needed. Not many on eBay, but got one for a fairly reasonable price (they're £330+VAT new), which arrived today.

A classic case of having to have the part in your hand, before you can sensibly plan how to use it (although I had a pretty good idea).

I then measured the travel distance that the cable moves (23mm) and the distance the throttle pedal moves the cable (56mm).

Lo-and-behold, this could be the easiest modification in this project yet! Using the stock throttle linkage, bolted to the stock mountings on the engine, it'll mount behind the linkage on a new fabricated cradle. The pin on the levers that usually actuate the return spring, are perfect to use for fixing the eye of the eThrottle. I can then use the stock ball/cup fixing for fixing the throttle cable. A slight re-indexing of the cable and pulley assembly an hey presto!

So, in theory, I could use the linkage as-is. What I'll probably end up doing is making a new set of levers, removing any excess material, and then making a stronger "pin" for mounting the cable/eye, then get it all plated. No need for the old return spring, the built-in one is slightly stronger than stock.

So....time to find more cereal packets and make a template for the eThrottle cradle!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...A3E882F423.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...A3F5E9778E.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...A3F031154F.jpg

Spenny_b 12-12-2012 12:11 PM

And finally....
 
...I've decided to re-work the position of the dump valve/BOV...without actually offering it up inside the engine, it was 50/50 as to whether the unit would foul on the rear bulkhead. If it didn't, then it'd be REALLY close.

After deliberating whether I wanted to hack-up a really nicely welded charge pipe (not really), I decided that the alternative would mean having to re-work the pipe after it had been black anodized, it'd certainly delay getting everything back in the car (probably a 2wk leadtime on the re-plating, once modified), plus almost certainly impact the booking of the rolling road (6-8wk leadtime) and not something you want to find out on the big day of re-installing the engine.

So, time to bite the bullet. The pipe has now been cut, the BOV flange removed and a new middle section ready to go in.

I have a choice of where to re-position....thoughts welcome.

From a aesthetics perspective I'm leaning towards mounting it on the right hand side on the apex of the bend, but not sure if I mess up the velocity of the intake?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...AF818D0E3E.jpg

Another option is to keep the position the same but rotate so it hangs upside down. There's just about enough clearance but not keen on how it looks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...AF87E8B299.jpg

I'm also going to weld on 2x lugs onto the "cup" that sits on the throttle body, just as a precaution to prevent anything popping the charge pipe off. Using only two lugs will allow the eThrottle to be aligned and bolted to the intake manifold, then a couple of lugs mounted opposite each other will hold on the charge pipe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...68314DC2-1.jpg

Spenny_b 12-20-2012 01:27 PM

Nothing major happening at the moment, just some fabrication work to finish the oil drain tank for the turbo, and to re-make the cold side charge pipe from the IC to the eThrottle.

Chopped out the centre section of the previous charge pipe, removed the BOV flange and tidied it up again, then made a new piece to sit in the middle of the 2 x 90deg bends.

This is all tacked in place again, along with 2 x lugs that will hold the pipe firmly in place to the throttle body:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...A1A89B46A9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...A1B14D23C9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...A1B8D264E5.jpg

Will drop these over to be welded tomorrow during the lunchbreak. Far happier with v2.0, the pipe alignment is straighter, smaller gaps in between each section, meaning that I shouldn't get the prob I had previously where it all pulled up when fully welded, throwing the alignment to the IC off by about 2-3mm.

Have had a re-think on the throttle linkage shown previously. Rather than sitting a plate on top of the original assembly, I'm making a whole new plate with the mounting lugs underneath...so, very much in the spirit of the original, same mounting position and shape, but the spindle will be a lot shorter, held inbetween 2x flanged oilite bearings. The steel levers on the shaft will be very much the same, as dimensionally it worked out nicely, but this will be a whole lot neater than using a two piece solution. I also found that the mounting heights weren't working out too well with the thickness of the ally plate, meaning the angle of pulling on the eGas position sensor was far from ideal.

I'll crack on with that over the Xmas break, pics to follow...along with my new remodelled and twice-the-size garage, which will commence in early Jan, woo-hoo! ;)

safe 12-21-2012 05:15 AM

Hi Spenny
Amazing build!

I need to rework the throttle cable setup on my engine.
Could you explain a little more on the eThrottle?
What parts (partnumbers?) are you using, for throttle pedal and servo.
Are they stand alone and work independent of an ECU?

Spenny_b 12-21-2012 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safe (Post 7163294)
Hi Spenny
Amazing build!

I need to rework the throttle cable setup on my engine.
Could you explain a little more on the eThrottle?
What parts (partnumbers?) are you using, for throttle pedal and servo.
Are they stand alone and work independent of an ECU?

Thanks Safe!

Haha, the eThrottle...I'm not the expert on this, I'm leaving it to my mate who is the mapping genius, however, they certainly don't work independently of the ECU I'm afraid.

The throttle body is a 997 unit from a Carrera - I just picked the p/n from the 997 PET and spoke to a UK based Porsche breakers yard; they happened to have one on the shelf in almost new condition. Having had a look on eBay for the position sensor, I also saw a LOT of these Bosch units for sale....not necessarily Porsche items, but so long as it has the 82.6mm OD housing, then that should do the job.

The original plan was to use a Vauxhall/Opel/GM eThrottle pedal assembly. I was going to mount this in the engine bay (with some fabrication to re-work the actual foot pedal part), and actuate this lever with the original cable pull from the cabin. This wouldn't have been the easiest nor neatest way, as the angular movement of the potentiometer is very small, meaning that a very long lever would be needed in order to allow the cabin throttle pedal to pull the cable the whole 53 or 56mm (I forget which).

Another option would be to use a BMW floor hinged eThrottle pedal, replacing the original 965 one in the footwell....but I wanted to keep it looking stock.

The option we've gone with for both Steves OMS single seater hillclimb/sprint car and mine, is another Bosch unit, for the Audi A8 or A6. This is the unit shown previously, and was used on the cars prior to a full eThrottle pedal, ie., they still used a cable to pull and rotate this unit. It has more angular rotation, so is easier to accommodate and build levers for.

A point to note, however, is that all items had to be sent to MBE so that they could build calibration maps for them....I assume any other ECU manufacturer will have to do the same. I did suggest to Steve, how about mounting something like a Penny & Giles high-end throttle pot onto the OE throttle linkage, but there would be issues with doing this, apparently we'd need 2 units to do a comparative reading from, then the MBE code would need re-writing (expensive and time consuming)...there are parts of the code that MBE keep locked from users for safety reasons, and I believe this is one example (you can imagine the consequences of somebody messing this bit up!!)

We're going to be using FBW throttle to control traction, launch and general driveability, one example being the classic scenario where you're in the wrong gear, go to accelerate and the engine bogs down (although I can't imagine that being too much of an issue in this instance!), the ECU can then control and only allow a %'age throttle opening to ensure the best result....not a great explanation but you perhaps get the idea. I think the TC and LC functions will be the most interesting, with variable settings for each in the cabin. LC could be useful, not to get blistering hot F1 style getaways, but more of a way of ensuring you don't completely smoke the tyres in 1st/2nd (3rd/4th...), so almost a way of limiting boost per gear (but not.....yet...)

Cheers
Spencer

safe 12-22-2012 06:11 AM

Aha, I understand!

Do you have the part number of this Audi part?

M3EvoBR 12-22-2012 08:36 AM

fanstastic thread, thank you !

Only one question to the OP, why did you choose to run a GT35 (as you're replacing anyway) instead of a newer design turbo like a precision 6262, 6765 or a Garrett Turbo with HTA wheel ?
billet wheels spool faster and make more HP / lbs.

Just out of curiosity.

Good luck with the project.

Spenny_b 12-22-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safe (Post 7165577)
Aha, I understand!

Do you have the part number of this Audi part?

Yep the 2 Bosch numbers on the unit are:

0 280 752 022 & 028907475BD

If you wanted one, let me know, I can send you the link to the UK guy on eBay (there aren't many of them if you search the listings)

Cheers
Spencer

Spenny_b 12-22-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3EvoBR (Post 7165815)
fanstastic thread, thank you !

Only one question to the OP, why did you choose to run a GT35 (as you're replacing anyway) instead of a newer design turbo like a precision 6262, 6765 or a Garrett Turbo with HTA wheel ?
billet wheels spool faster and make more HP / lbs.

Just out of curiosity.

Good luck with the project.

Thanks!

Well, it's one of those projects that started off with "Spec n" and has gone down the slippery slope to "Spec n+10".

The original brief was for an engine that wasn't massively more hp than the stock car, just with EFI efficiency. I still need the engine to be a street engine, this isn't a track car, so I don't want a huge GT40, I still want it to be sensible (otherwise I would've gone for 993 GT Evo cams).

I'm very happy taking Chris's guidance on this, and it is something we discussed many times in the earlier days of the project, with things like A/R's...and IIRC we did also consider the billet wheels (remind me, are these the GTX units?), but the additional cost was yet another expense that was starting to run away, and probably wasn't justified at that time.

Chris also has a LOT of experience with Garrets and in particular the 35R; if you remember from one of the first posts, I really didn't want to be trying anything too left-field, I'm happy to follow the well trodden path, and I'm also happy to bow to Chris's knowledge and experience. You never know, once this is finished, maybe a few tweaks here and there may include fine tuning the turbo as Phase 2.

Cheers
Spencer.

M3EvoBR 12-22-2012 12:40 PM

Fair enough. Understood.
I just ask because I went thru the same thing with different cars, and from experience, the difference with modern turbos are really big, that being said, you could still use basically the same size turbo, as the HTA 3582 which is basically an upgraded Garrett.

link: Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP HTA GT3582R Ball Bearing Turbocharger

Yes the GTX are Garrett billet wheel, that came out a long time after the HTA and Precision turbos.

Keep up the great work !

Good luck and Merry Christmas.

Spenny_b 12-23-2012 07:40 AM

Cheers, Merry Christmas to you too!

TurboKraft 12-24-2012 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3EvoBR (Post 7165815)
fanstastic thread, thank you !
billet wheels spool faster and make more HP / lbs.

Sometimes spooling faster is not an advantage. Sometimes the compressor wheels produce more airflow at lower rpms than the engine can use, you get compressor surge. Anti-surge / ported-shroud compressor covers help, but do not fully eliminate the possibility of surge.

M3EvoBR 12-24-2012 08:10 AM

Agreed, that's true, It can happen, but you usually can minimize those problems with the covers like you said and also with tune / boost controller.

Do you often see this kind of problem with GT35s and the 964 3.3 or 3.6 engines ?

TurboKraft 12-24-2012 08:27 AM

Unless the engine is modified to breathe a lot more -- intercooler, intake, heads, cams, exhaust -- then yes, it can be a problem on the 3.3L engines. We've seen surge on a few 3.3L engines with a plain GT35R.
3.6T -- sometimes. We just had a client do bolt-ons + EFI and hit 530rwhp at just 1.1bar on pump gas with a GTX.

M3EvoBR 12-24-2012 08:44 AM

530whp are very nice numbers specially on that kind of boost.

I miss my GT2, even though I had stock K24s, I spent quite some time on the dyno fine tuning the car, it came out pretty good, and very linear, if you ask me.
I'm looking for a late 911 or early 964 to start a project, unfortunately it must retain stock engine for the class I'm looking to run.

WERK I 12-24-2012 09:12 AM

Chris, pm sent.

Spenny_b 01-30-2013 12:12 PM

Finally an update!
 
Wow, long time since I last checked-in to write an update. Not a huge amount going on at the moment - everything's on hold until my garage extension project is finished. Basically, the garage will double in footprint, but the stuff that once occupied a couple of sheds has had to go into the original garage temporarily....meaning very little space to work on the engine.

But....I did have a free weekend a few days ago, so with some shuffling around of everything, I decided to continue on the blessed oil catch tank for the turbo. I swear, this part has given me the most aggro of the whole build!

Before Xmas, I was trying to be clever and upcycle (!) the OE tank, so that I could re-use the mountings and the space it occupied . Nice and out of the way between the turbo and the crankcase. So, we tried a number of times to graft on new -8 and -10AN fittings, but long story short, nothing worked out satisfactorily. Because this thing was so impregnated with oil over the last 20yrs it gave my welding guys a nightmare when trying to weld on the new fittings. I tried flushing it out in the cleaning tank, running brake cleaner through it, but it was still too "dirty" for a clean weld. Porosity on both the -10 feed from the turbo and also from the -8 breather tube. It was looking a dogs dinner, so I decided to start from scratch and fab a custom tank from ally that fits in the same space.

By re-using some of the 3" diameter ally from the intercooler charge pipes, I made the unit below, which has worked out really nicely with a 45deg bend, insomuch that I've been able to feed from the turbo with a 90deg -10 bend, a straight -8 breather that will go to the air intake near the filter, and a -8 outlet that's presented at the right angle for the aux scavenge pump to draw from. Happy days!

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Nice strong bracket to mount it onto the same M8 studs on the crankcase that the original tank hung from. I'm paranoid about this being mounted securely. No offense to anyone who has one, but I'm really not too keen on the style of tanks that dangle directly from under the turbo oil outlet...perhaps a little overcautious, but to me it looks like a fracture waiting to happen, with the vibration and extreme heat. Anyway, collected mine at lunchtime, and quickly offering it up into position, it clears everything nicely!

This is literally as I've collected it, so tonights job is to clean and prep the surface finish ready for it to be anodized black (I think...or I may get it done silver...not sure yet). I can also now finish off making the Aeroquip lines between the tank and the turbo and from the tank to the pump.

I'll post some more pics later, with the tank in place with a couple of the hoses attached.

Spenny_b 01-31-2013 01:49 AM

Ok, some more pics from last nights work....

I "ovalised" the 3" tubing, which gained me about 15mm additional ground clearance. It's now not the lowest point on the engine....

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The -8AN breather pipe will be a straight coupling, going up through the rear tinware section, and across to the air filter/intake pipe assy....

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The tank fits just nicely between the myriad of pipes for the heat take-offs, wastegates, primaries, etc...

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A chunk -10AN hose between the turbo outlet and the input to the catch tank. Probably overkill in size, but the I.D. matches the turbo's outlet diameter...

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A 90deg -8AN elbow works perfectly for the coupling to the pump. The I.D. of the -8AN is near enough identical the I.D of the original scavenge pipe, so the suction should be as before....

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A neat run along the top of the exhaust valve cover...

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This is where the auxiliary pump will pull the oil from - I guessed that I'd need a 45deg fitting, but a straight coupling will work better. Easy to swap next time I go up to Think Auto....

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And after some initial polishing. Not quite as I want it yet - needs to be more polished for the anodizing to look ok, but it's starting to look tidier....

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304065 02-26-2013 06:55 AM

Looking good! How about some photos of the new shed? :)

Spenny_b 03-08-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065 (Post 7297067)
Looking good! How about some photos of the new shed? :)

Hello mate!....haha, I may well be in a position to take some snaps this weekend - time to insulate the workshop and fit the interior panels, run some electrics through, etc. At the moment, it just looks like a giant mess, full of piled up garage stuff that moves between the garage and the workshop, depending on what needs doing. The pit is now finished in the main garage, pit boards all cut to size, so we're moving along gradually ;)

Sorry for the tardy response, been extremely busy at work - its like 4Q all over again!

You and the family well I trust?

Cheers!
S

Simon930Berlin 08-22-2013 06:48 AM

Amazing build!

Spenny_b 08-22-2013 07:30 AM

Thanks Simon.....work will hopefully recommence on the engine again soon. Still sorting out the new workshop and doing a light-refurb on the new (old) lathe.

From this, tired, filthy neglected unit -->

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To this --->

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Lots and lots of hours with degreasers, abrasive papers and tins of the original Colchester shades of paint.

No teardown of anything apart from removing the tailstock and the cross-slide. Not yet checked the alignment, but if it does need adjustment, at least it's all clean again.

The original Colchester suds pump kicked into life yesterday, so tonights job is to wire in the new 3ph digital inverter that I'm now going to use instead of a static converter that I've got.

proffighter 08-22-2013 08:23 AM

Great lathe, should have everyone who's sick like me (or you):)

Spenny_b 08-22-2013 08:42 AM

Thanks Roland, yes, it's just about the perfect size for what I need; smaller than a Colchester Student that I (and many of thousands of others!) learnt with as apprentices, but it's big enough to cope with anything I'm likely to want to turn. Beautifully built, geared head, gearbox for screwcutting, the spindle bearings are the Gamut ones (apparently well known for their precision and durability)...lifting the cover on the headstock gearbox, there looks to be no wear on the gear teeth...chances are that this was just used by apprentices (there is evidence on the bed of the occasionally dropped tool and/or chuck!) for them to make their test pieces on, nothing too heavy duty. Even the gib strips look to be adjusted somewhere near perfect ;)

Jim2 08-24-2013 10:46 AM

Nice job on the lathe! They sure look dismal when they are old and grungy but you end up having these things for years/decades/lifetime so it's worth the time for a clean up and lube/adjustment. I certainly appreciate a clean machine.

Spenny_b 08-24-2013 06:10 PM

Absolutely Jim, this'll be good for another 40+ years - was tinkering again today, now got the coolant pump wired up so that it only switches on with the main motor (due to me having a 1ph > 3ph converter, and it only being something like a 0.25hp pump)....being super-careful to ensure its electricallly dead each time...you don't get back up from 415v!! Also fixed the wobbly apron fwd/rev lever. Another clean up of the machined faces to remove a few errant bits of paint, now ready to fit a DRO sometime during the week, then set-to checking alignments and moving it into position.

Apologies - going a little off topic here, just posting in reply to a few folk asking why there's no engine progress at the moment ;)


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