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Jcslocum 02-20-2015 07:19 AM

I forgot how well stuff dries when it's cleaned at 140 degrees!!! Minutes to dry instead of dripping all over. Some of the harnesses you get must be fugly.....

bertj 02-20-2015 07:42 AM

Thanks Graham.


Quote:

Originally Posted by gtc (Post 8494685)
I don't know any name brand citrus degreasers, as I use one that my parents make (they own a small janitorial supply business).
But as far as I know, pretty much all citrus based degreasers use the solvent d-limonene, an extract of orange peels.
You do need to watch out with delicate plastic, rubber, or painted parts when using it.


TheSt|G 03-05-2015 07:50 AM

Anyone figure out where to get one of these?

reddogmotrsprts 03-05-2015 12:20 PM

They are all over eBay.

RD911T 03-05-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by reddogmotrsprts (Post 8517240)
They are all over eBay.

Actually, the deal that Jcslocum found is gone. They still offer a 3.4 gallon version for just over $300, but I searched around the net for a while and the cheapest 5 gallon ultrasonic cleaner I could find was over $800. If you found a cheaper alternative currently available, please post a link.

KTL 03-05-2015 01:05 PM

Yeah that one on ebay was a good deal and I think a lot of people recognized that. Shipped from Florida with free shipping. Box is pretty big and weighs 34 lbs so it's not an inconsequential shipping cost. When I bought mine a few weeks ago, they had sold 45 and counting. $380 is a big chunk of coin but I think it pays for itself pretty quickly in the time saved from scrubbing stuff by hand in a slop sink like I do as DIY guy in my home garage. I'm real happy with mine.

That said, don't go thinking you just throw a filthy caked-on oil & dirt part into the sonic beer cooler and it will come out sparkling clean like magic. You're wise to clean off the easy crud before dunking it in the cooler. Because whatever crud you don't remove prior to sonic cleaning is going to reduce the strength of your cleaning solution = more changing of your solution.

As far as hard to clean parts go? This thing rocks for cam housings. They are a complete PITA to clean by hand.

jwasbury 03-05-2015 04:56 PM

I got mine...put it to work straight away on my current 3.0 rebuild. Works very well and absolutely worth the price of admission IMO. Thanks for the tip...

http://asbury.smugmug.com/By-Land/Ra...08060300-L.jpg

Jcslocum 03-05-2015 06:44 PM

I would contact the seller. Their ID is salonsupplystore and they have a huge eBay biz with 186k sales.

I'm still using mine and love it. Cam towers are soooo easy. Heads too with all the little fins. The water get filthy immediately but I have yet to see much degrading in the ability to clean stuff. But refilling is cheap and easy with water and Dawn dish soap. I'm not even adding simple green anymore.

TheSt|G 03-06-2015 11:33 AM

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I would contact the seller. Their ID is salonsupplystore and they have a huge eBay biz with 186k sales. <br>
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I'm still using mine and love it. Cam towers are soooo easy. Heads too with all the little fins. The water get filthy immediately but I have yet to see much degrading in the ability to clean stuff. But refilling is cheap and easy with water and Dawn dish soap. I'm not even adding simple green anymore.
Not worried about hurting the aluminum? The standard test for ultrasonics is to put in a piece of a aluminum foil and time how long it takes the cleaner to perforate it.

Jcslocum 03-06-2015 03:41 PM

Nope, not at all. I'm not cleaning alum foil.

Tippy 03-06-2015 09:46 PM

Just a word of caution, ultrasonics can destroy parts.

When I was in aviation, we had to only run jet engine parts no longer than X number of minutes. If someone did, we'd have to do non-destructive testing to see if the part was compromised.

I'm not an engineer nor metallurgist, but was told that if the part starts "singing" at the same frequency as the ultrasonic's transducer puts out, there will no longer be a part.

Not trying to be a Debbie-downer, just throwing out there what I was told by some ME's. :)

TheSt|G 03-07-2015 06:19 AM

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Just a word of caution, ultrasonics can destroy parts.<br>
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When I was in aviation, we had to only run jet engine parts no longer than X number of minutes. If someone did, we'd have to do non-destructive testing to see if the part was compromised.<br>
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I'm not an engineer nor metallurgist, but was told that if the part starts "singing" at the same frequency as the ultrasonic's transducer puts out, there will no longer be a part.<br>
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Not trying to be a Debbie-downer, just throwing out there what I was told by some ME's. <img src="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg">
Wouldn't happen to know of/have some type of material worksheet or data sheet on that would you?

Dpmulvan 03-07-2015 08:01 AM

Ultrasonic cleaning can indeed destroy parts especially aluminum at certain frequencies. Google it or check out zenith's ultrasonic page.

Dpmulvan 03-07-2015 08:10 AM

How Ultrasonic Cleaners can Damage Parts | Zenith Ultrasonics

smithlogannn 03-09-2015 12:32 AM

Excellent Part Cleaner
 
Which metrial use to Part Cleaner

txhokie4life 03-09-2015 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dpmulvan (Post 8519761)

could putting in a simple rotating grid/plate solve this problem?

Mike

Southbay356 03-09-2015 11:43 AM

I have also heard that some of the firearm people will not use it for cleaning , believing it will make the small casting cracks larger.

does anyone have other references about this from a source who is not trying to sell you their machine ?

Trackrash 03-27-2015 02:39 PM

What about cylinders? Has anyone tried cylinders?

Jcslocum 03-27-2015 03:02 PM

Yup, it works a charm...

The only thing I have not done yet is rods.

quattrorunner 03-27-2015 04:28 PM

I work with ultrasonic cleaners. They indeed can damage parts but it takes some time in perfectly clean solution with thinner parts. We used to test the cleaner with aluminum foil, it puts holes in it if it's working well but all you have to do to test it is put your hand in there and if you feel like the thing is shoving needles through you it's working well. If the solution is dirty it has diminished effect and thus less worry about the part getting damaged. As long as it's not in there too long it should be fine. But I think leave in 5 minutes and inspect the part for damage. Keep an eye on it.
BTW that's a great price on a cleaner and amazing for one that large. We used to pay thousands for smaller than that. We paid $22000 for one only double the size!

Jcslocum 03-29-2015 04:10 PM

I cleaned a really grungy engine oil cooler tonight. This engine had lots of leaks in the past and the cooler was disgusting and some of the cooling channels had grime plugging the holes. I did a few other parts first so the water was up to temp,. I plugged the inlet and outlet so no cleaner went inside the cooler and ran it for 15 minutes and the flipped it for another 15. It cam out clean and shiny. All grime and grunge removed. Perfect!

G50911 05-06-2015 07:44 PM

what kind of cleaning solution are you guys using? i hear simple green isn't so good for aluminum. i hear some are using 50/50 CLR (calcium,lime,rust) with good results. also heard lemon juice and water works well too.

anyone else try this compared to SG/dawn dishwashing detergent?

Jcslocum 05-07-2015 06:43 AM

I'm just using Dawn and Tap Water. No complaints.

Henry Schmidt 05-07-2015 07:52 AM

We use a mixture of Dawn, ammonia and water in the ultra-sonic cleaner at
911 Vintage Parts Home.
The new machine is large enough for an entire case if anyone needs piece of mind for their rebuild.
We have all the case plugs in stock so a thorough cleaning becomes pretty easy.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1431013304.jpg

1QuickS 06-15-2015 06:42 AM

I bought a smaller one and a 5 gallon one from SharperTec for Weber cleaning. Both died after about a year and I didn't use them all that much. I now have a commercial quality, Branson 5-gallon unit. BIG difference in quality and durability! I still use the SharperTec 1220 cleaning solution but have been using Simple Green with good results also.

djb25 06-18-2015 11:48 AM

I have a three liter model sold by Hornady. It's basically identical to the ones on eBay (which I unfortunately didn't know about until much later).

It's small, but I've used the hell out of it. I've cleaned all manner of car, gun, and machine parts in it. It works fantastically, it's amazing how well it cleans. A larger model would be extremely nice to have...

cgarr 08-08-2015 11:18 AM

Looks like there are more for sale again!

Pro Stainless Steel 22 L Liters 1080W Digital Ultrasonic Cleaner Heater Timer | eBay

quattrorunner 08-08-2015 11:42 AM

Got mine! thanks

cgarr 08-08-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by quattrorunner (Post 8744771)
Got mine! thanks

Is it that one? any good?

This would fit my VW mk4 turbo head perfect!

quattrorunner 08-08-2015 12:29 PM

I just bought it today because you posted that link! HAHA! I hope it's good. I read the specs and they show a powerful machine. It's big. I will be using it for jewelry as I already have them for jewelry but I bought this for the size and price. Can't go wrong with that price. Most my cleaners have cost me more than that and they're only 1/2 gallon size. I'll let you know how it compares to professional quality.

Jcslocum 08-08-2015 04:39 PM

Still lovin mine. That one looks about the same.

rennzeit 08-09-2015 11:48 PM

Dumb question number 3...
Can you wash mag parts in it, or not advised?
What cleaners are safe for mag?
thanks,
dug

Jcslocum 08-10-2015 04:13 AM

Mag will be safe. I'm now not even using simple green. Just tap water and Dawn dish soap. The original dawn that is blue. Not the newer fancy smelling stuff.

motogman 08-11-2015 04:04 PM

After cleaning is it advisable to apply some protection to the AL or other metals to prevent corrosion or oxidation (ah but I repeat myself)?

For example, I have read threads on cleaning cooling fans where the Al/mag is oiled after cleaning.

Experience and comments?

quattrorunner 08-11-2015 04:29 PM

These cleaners can eat through thin(very thin) foil. It will literally make holes in it. But if you clean quickly or clean heavy thick items it's fine.
I've never heard of reoiling a part though.
Check this out:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1439339280.jpg

Cleaner on the right is my regular 3/4 gallon. Overkill for my purposes but I'll be using it for some car parts as well I'm sure.

cgarr 08-11-2015 05:04 PM

You got yours already? Some cleaners I use are so strong, some parts, mostly mag parts will get shot with some gibbs

cgarr 08-11-2015 05:11 PM

So is this the test you did to see if it was working ok?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YR5PgwEDFzs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

quattrorunner 08-11-2015 05:27 PM

What's a gibb?
No I didn't do the foil test but I did do the hand dip test. It hurt so I guess it works. All around too. It's a pretty nice machine. Now I hope it lasts.

cgarr 08-11-2015 05:38 PM

Gibbs, great stuff

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...e615ee659a.jpg


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M3pilot 08-13-2015 07:02 AM

Adding my experience to the pot . . .

I bought one of the 5G models when they came back up for sale a few weeks back. Its the same as that shown on the "left" in post #75.

Over the course of 2-3 days I put a couple of hours on it cleaning fasteners and other small parts. When I went to start the next load and pushed the "Start" button for the ultrasonic system, nothing happened. I then noticed that the temperature wasn't rising either. The panel still worked, gave a seemingly accurate temp reading and the ultrasonic timer would count down - it just wasn't doing anything.

I contacted the seller about the problem. To their credit, they were responsive and apologetic and seemed genuinely interested in helping me solve the issue. They did ask me to do a couple of rounds of testing including supplying them with a video illustrating the problem and partially disassembling the unit to take/send sending additional photos.

Ultimately they diagnosed the problem as a "bad mother board" and said they would send me a new one that I would have in ~10 days.

A board did arrive on time and included a bag full of electronic parts (transistors, small fuses, resistors, etc.) but there was no explanation, schematics or any other documentation supplied. I felt a little better after finding that the board appeared to be completely assembled.

The board was one of four inside the unit and at first it wasn't readily apparent (to me at least) which one it was meant to replace. Swapping the boards was a little bit of a chore, mainly because of other, poorly soldered and/or crimped connectors that came apart during the process.

With the board replaced the cleaner has functioned normally so far but that's maybe 45 minutes total run time. Assuming that I don't have other problems I would still say that I'm happy with the machine overall. While I wasn't thrilled with all the hoop-jumping to diagnose and repair, I acknowledge that my experience could have been much worse.

The failure actually bothered me less than the somewhat shoddy assembly work. That said, it seems like a very useful tool and quite a good value for a light-duty environment considering the alternatives - assuming of course that it doesn't crap-out on me again.

Also, +1 on the Gibbs. I cleaned my grungy front torsion bar adjusters in the ultrasonic and then gave them a good coat of Gibbs and they look almost like new.


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