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arbita1 08-01-2016 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 9223151)
Some show grip length after installed and some parts list show over all length.


I think pelican shows overall length at least they do with exhaust studs

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Good info sir. I just looked up the part number for the exhaust stud and it is the same as the oil pump stud. And lists the same size. At least I know I ordered the correct one. Thanks.


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arbita1 08-15-2016 05:01 PM

Disassembly Done ... Time To Rebuild 3.0
 
Back from vacation and I'm ready to go. I think I have most items I need to keep me going for a while. Got my replacement stud while I was away.

Also got this cool package.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...c6e497798a.jpg

JE pistons from ebs. And they are domed for cis. See...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...5c9769eb54.jpg

Also got these.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...21bec32e6a.jpg

Replated in nikasil by ebs.

Also got these polished and rebushed from Craig a while back.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6ad9114eff.jpg

Cams are with John for a regrind and head are at the local machine shop that does them for some of the indies in my area.

Now just need some time to work!



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mikedsilva 08-17-2016 01:41 PM

wow, cylinders look new!

arbita1 08-17-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 9244481)
wow, cylinders look new!



Yes. Not sure how they did that.


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Techno Duck 08-17-2016 03:52 PM

Long time no see Matt! Looking good, ill be sending my cylinders to EBS next month for the 3.4L treatment.

arbita1 08-17-2016 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Techno Duck (Post 9244642)
Long time no see Matt! Looking good, ill be sending my cylinders to EBS next month for the 3.4L treatment.



That car you have is perfect as is. Guess you can't leave well enough alone. Very happy with EBS.


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Techno Duck 08-17-2016 04:14 PM

Valve guides are toast (1qt>600mi) and i dont trust the rebuild that the previous owner had done. Splitting the case and 'while your in there' decided to just do the 3.4L.. cost wasnt really much more expensive if i have to replace the 3.2L p&c's which is probably prudent considering the mileage...lol. Atleast i'm not doing an LS swap :D

arbita1 08-19-2016 01:33 PM

Do I have to use loctite for the oil pump stud into the case?


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arbita1 08-20-2016 05:26 AM

Ugh. Getting my hardware ready and organized for case sealing and I'm realizing I'm somehow missing a cap nut.

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911 Rod 08-20-2016 09:00 AM

Are you sure it's not the regular nut you are missing? I looked for 1/2 hr before realizing this lol.
My engine guy did not use lock tight.

arbita1 08-20-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 9248168)
Are you sure it's not the regular nut you are missing? I looked for 1/2 hr before realizing this lol.
My engine guy did not use lock tight.



No. I'm missing one cap nut. I'm trying to remember If I damaged it when removing. I ordered a new one today. Kind of annoying ordering a nut that costs $15.


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mikedsilva 08-21-2016 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 9247428)
Do I have to use loctite for the oil pump stud into the case?


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I would.

mikedsilva 08-21-2016 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 9242138)
Cams are with John for a regrind

So are mine.. but I have had trouble trying to contact him to see what the progress update is...

arbita1 08-21-2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 9249593)
So are mine.. but I have had trouble trying to contact him to see what the progress update is...

He emailed me a few weeks ago to let me know they would be done soon. Maybe he went on vacation. Everyone is away this time Of year. I'm going to reach out to him this week.

mikedsilva 08-25-2016 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 9249702)
He emailed me a few weeks ago to let me know they would be done soon. Maybe he went on vacation. Everyone is away this time Of year. I'm going to reach out to him this week.

How'd you go.. get in touch with John?
I'm still waiting to hear back!!:confused:

arbita1 08-25-2016 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 9255069)
How'd you go.. get in touch with John?
I'm still waiting to hear back!!:confused:

He actually emailed me back the next day. Try emailing him again.

arbita1 09-02-2016 10:57 AM

Case is sealed together. I hope it doesn't leak. I felt like I wasn't putting enough 3 bond on but I kept remembering that everyone says a thin coat. Wasn't difficult except for the time limit factor. My heart was racing and i was sweating.

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930cabman 09-02-2016 12:02 PM

Great thread, I will be right behind you, maybe another month or so.

best of luck

arbita1 09-03-2016 03:19 PM

Good progress today. Finished Section 3 in Wayne's book!

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http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...2d269425e4.jpg

On to section 4

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arbita1 09-05-2016 11:56 AM

Today I installed the rings on all the new JE pistons. JE recommends the ring gaps in the 10 and 2 position where as Wayne's book recommends 9 and 3. JE says not to orient in line with the wrist pin. So I think I'm going to to follow that.

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cgarr 09-05-2016 12:14 PM

I like to at least keep the oil ring gap towards the cylinder top, not sure if it really helps over full engine cases with oil from getting into the cylinder when sitting but what the hell.

arbita1 09-05-2016 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cgarr (Post 9269172)
I like to at least keep the oil ring gap towards the cylinder top, not sure if it really helps over full engine cases with oil from getting into the cylinder when sitting but what the hell.



Yes. Both Wayne's book and JE recommendations agree on that one. So that's what I'm doing too.


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arbita1 09-10-2016 01:05 PM

Gaining momentum. Pistons in cylinders. Next deck height check.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...9e385cbd57.jpg

This tool made it easy.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...e27ff3240e.jpg


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arbita1 09-10-2016 01:08 PM

Also got heads back from machine shop yesterday. Cams should be back next week.

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mikedsilva 09-10-2016 03:01 PM

Looking good!

arbita1 09-10-2016 03:03 PM

Thanks.

Tried to do the deck height check but having trouble with the JE piston circlips.


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arbita1 09-11-2016 06:44 AM

Finally got the circlip in. Not fun. What is it going to be like doing the other side on the motor.

I think I'm good with deck height. Did the check.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...ce908b4e6c.jpg

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Came up with an average of 1.44mm. The one on the higher dome side squished more than the other side.


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mikedsilva 09-11-2016 12:05 PM

I went to do my first circlips last night too..
Even with the stomski circlip tool, these clips are really springy and difficult to get seated in the tool. To me, it seems that without a circlip injection tool, it would be near impossibly to get them in without scratching pistons etc...(speaking as an amateur)

arbita1 09-11-2016 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 9276460)
I went to do my first circlips last night too..

Even with the stomski circlip tool, these clips are really springy and difficult to get seated in the tool. To me, it seems that without a circlip injection tool, it would be near impossibly to get them in without scratching pistons etc...(speaking as an amateur)



The JE clips are thicker and difficult to install. I've fabricated this tool. I have to hit the back of the socket extension with a hammer to get the clips in their seats. So far it's working pretty well.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...b52f594c27.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...9c5bc3b12a.jpg


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arbita1 09-13-2016 05:19 PM

Still working on the right side p&c install. This side seems to be giving me more trouble. Currently on no.5.

Looking ahead at the next chapter in the book it talks about pre assembling to measure valve to piston clearance. My question is do I really need to do this if I am rebuilding a stock engine. Only changes are the JE pistons and a slightly more aggressive cam. (One step below 964 profile.) thoughts?


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tabasco 09-13-2016 06:36 PM

Yes you need to measure it.
Your engine is not stock anymore, you've changed the pistons and cams, both will change the clearance values.
And even with the same components, it's some kind of quality control for your cam timing, so it doesn't hurt to measure it.

arbita1 09-16-2016 03:13 PM

I finally got the second circlip on cylinder no 5 but it was a bitter sweet victory. In doing so the cylinder moved up a bit and the bottom oil ring slipped out. My compressor is the type that you have the put the piston in on a bench. Any other ideas to compress this without buying another compressor or removing the piston and cylinder?

mikedsilva 09-16-2016 03:59 PM

GIANT hose clamp?

fyi, I have actually pulled all mine dow again, since I was not happy with my circlip fitting in my pistons.

How did you get your circlips in?

arbita1 09-16-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 9284144)
GIANT hose clamp?

fyi, I have actually pulled all mine dow again, since I was not happy with my circlip fitting in my pistons.

How did you get your circlips in?

Yes. I saw someone else installed rings using a hose clamp. Going to pick one up and try that.

Look above. There's a photo of the tool I made using 3/4" copper pipe and a 14mm socket with an extension.


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Trackrash 09-16-2016 06:52 PM

Yea, those JE circlips are a beeach. I bent one, had to order a replacement.

I had another one that at first seemed to go in, but was not fully seated in the groove. Good thing I noticed.

arbita1 09-17-2016 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 9284144)
GIANT hose clamp?

fyi, I have actually pulled all mine dow again, since I was not happy with my circlip fitting in my pistons.

How did you get your circlips in?



That worked. Kind of a pain to get the rings all in there. But it worked well once you do.


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arbita1 09-17-2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tabasco (Post 9280023)
Yes you need to measure it.
Your engine is not stock anymore, you've changed the pistons and cams, both will change the clearance values.
And even with the same components, it's some kind of quality control for your cam timing, so it doesn't hurt to measure it.



So if I'm assembling to measure only. Do I install the cylinder head gaskets or leave them out? My thought is to install them as I should not have to remove the heads if every thing checks out. Am I missing something ?


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arbita1 09-17-2016 02:21 PM

P&C's are finally done.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...a76680ed8e.jpg


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mikedsilva 09-17-2016 04:38 PM

nice!

arbita1 09-18-2016 01:47 PM

Cams back from John in DC15 profile.

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