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Optimusglen 09-22-2017 08:39 PM

3D model/render work on the 2.2T motor I'm building
 
Originally I had all of this sprinkled throughout my engine build thread. Since it's somewhat of a budget build I get time to get up close and personal with each of these parts as I'm cleaning and inspecting and saving for parts and machine work.

You'll notice that in a lot of these the color/finish of the individual parts isn't exact. Each time I add to the model I make a new render file, and then I reassign colors to each part all over again. Because of this, I don't spend a ton of time honing the colors down. Once it's complete I'll get everything so that they look right but for now it's just WIP eye candy.

I don't update this thread with every new part I make, to see everything in the most up-to-date fashion visit my Instagram www.instagram.com/autoillustrated/

Hope you all enjoy!

Gotta start somewhere.
http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4361/36...da587d57_b.jpg

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4367/36...17a6863a_b.jpg

Optimusglen 09-22-2017 08:40 PM

started working on the cam housings

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4375/37...25d4f6c7_b.jpg

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4351/36...4ffaf340_b.jpg

Optimusglen 09-22-2017 08:42 PM

cam covers coming along nicely

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads...05536542.1.jpg

Optimusglen 09-22-2017 08:43 PM

Had an open evening, so more progress, adding parts one by one.

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4464/37...b60c3e2f_b.jpg

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4481/36...49721e05_b.jpg

Pat RUFBTR 09-23-2017 02:19 AM

Beautiful !

Tom '74 911 09-23-2017 06:31 AM

I spend most of my work day using ArchiCAD to design & 3D model buildings... what you are doing is a whole 'nother deal. Seriously impressive CAD/3D modeling skills... I dig it.
Tom

Catorce 09-23-2017 08:08 AM

Really great work. Are you scanning the parts?

Optimusglen 09-23-2017 08:38 AM

No shortcuts (scanning) I measure and create each feature.

3Ddesigns911 09-23-2017 09:34 AM

Nice work man.How far are you going to take it? BTW what engine is this exactly?

Optimusglen 09-23-2017 09:52 AM

Thanks! I'll be doing the full carburated engine. It's a 911/07 from a '71 911T

I might do a quick and dirty trans, but just so I can put it all in a 914/6 GT 3D model I have.

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4230/35...cda05ef4_b.jpg

Catorce 09-23-2017 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimusglen (Post 9748105)
No shortcuts (scanning) I measure and create each feature.

Wow. Lots of work there.

I can appreciate what you are doing because I started my case project by scanning a case at 50 microns and then modifying it to create the model for our casting.

Nice job.

Optimusglen 09-23-2017 10:26 AM

I do wish I could scan the case, I've been dreading that part.

3Ddesigns911 09-23-2017 11:18 AM

There has to be some scans or other 3D models that you can start with out there. It'd be pretty hard to get it accurately just by measuring.

Catorce 09-23-2017 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimusglen (Post 9748256)
I do wish I could scan the case, I've been dreading that part.


My case model cost me $100,000 to give you an idea. It wasn't just scanning, it was the reverse engineering and the measurements, which are still ongoing. The scan and the point cloud just gave us a basic shape.

However, my model needed to be good enough to build off of, it is not a simple exercise in art. Dimensionally, it is perfect. But it was just a starting point for us.

I think you'll be able to simulate the exterior of the case pretty well based on your work you showed here. It doesn't need to be perfectly accurate....no one will ever be able to tell.

Optimusglen 09-23-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Ddesigns911 (Post 9748307)
There has to be some scans or other 3D models that you can start with out there. It'd be pretty hard to get it accurately just by measuring.

Nothing out there for the case, realistically I would prefer to do it myself so that I can ensure the case model is done to the same standard as the rest of it. Plus, native Creo models are far superior to mesh, 3dsMax, or stl model files.

I know it doesn't need to be 100% correct, I'm not building casts for any of this. It is likely that I'll be 3d printing a scale version.

3Ddesigns911 09-23-2017 01:10 PM

What I meant was if you had something to start with as a "template" then you could create your own model based on that while verifying dimensions.

Spenny_b 09-23-2017 03:30 PM

They. Are. Stunning!

Seriously impressed, not only the quality of the images but also your patience. I wish I had an attention span longer than

Optimusglen 09-24-2017 07:15 AM

Thank you!

More progress.

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4352/37...73d43be9_b.jpg

Catorce 09-24-2017 08:53 AM

Amazing. I can somewhat use Solidworks - how is the software you are using different? Is it supposed to be for the same kinds of tasks???

Optimusglen 09-24-2017 09:11 AM

Yes, Creo is previously known as Pro/Engineer. It is an engineering modeling/drafting software. It does the same tasks as Solidworks. I do use Solidworks as well, usually only when one of our vendors sends us native SW files though, I prefer Creo.

Which is better is a highly debated topic with "fan-boys" on both sides of the fence. Solidworks is easier to pick up for beginners, but in my opinion Creo has more functionality. The same geometry can be created with either program, the methods are just different.

The models are created in Creo. These models could be machined, 3D printed, or with some redesign they could be plastic injection molded. Currently I've just been exporting the models to another software Keyshot which is just a rendering software. It takes the models in and I can assign colors, finishes, etc and render fancy images in high resolution.

Catorce 09-24-2017 10:04 AM

I have seen keyshot. The reason I ask is your work is absolutely amazing and looks a lot like the recent renderings Singer did of their new 4 cam engine.

Hats off to you sir!

Optimusglen 09-24-2017 10:26 AM

Thank you! Yes I've seen the Singer model renderings, they definitely look amazing. I had been planning on doing this engine for a long time but to be honest seeing the Singer renderings lit a fire under me to work on mine.

Optimusglen 09-25-2017 07:40 AM

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4467/37...b6c0b788_b.jpg

previous image made it look like I missed one of the small locking tangs for the washers. They were there but the angle/lighting hid them pretty well.

Also page 2 needed a picture.

2jmotorsports 09-25-2017 09:12 AM

I knew these looked familiar @autoillustrated...

@joe_engineer here.

mr-72 09-29-2017 10:18 AM

Just want to say this stuff looks great and thanks for sharing. Love that you took the time to make it dimensional and accurate and i checked out your artwork, nice stuff! we have similar interests.

Was the car modeling / surfacing done in Creo? id like to model a 73 rsr

Optimusglen 09-30-2017 08:01 AM

Thanks guys! Nice to see you here Jose!

Another part added.

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4507/37...6563948e_b.jpg

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Tippy 09-30-2017 09:17 AM

I've been using SolidWorks for a couple years and am one of those fanbois. We use Creo too, I may need to try it.

Love this task!!!! Very impressive and a TON of work.

Catorce 09-30-2017 09:28 AM

To give you guys an idea of how much work this is my machinist took 6 *weeks* to hand measure the case and correct dimensions on our model so he could come up with a machining model in SurfCAM to machine the cases. Pic below.

Remember, he was already working with a scan to begin with.....

Optimus won't need to do the inside, which is where a lot of the work is, but even a simple chain housing is a massive task freehand like this. Amazing work!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1506792505.jpg

Optimusglen 09-30-2017 02:00 PM

Definitely not a project for a beginner, haha. I will be modeling the interior of the case, I just don't need to be concerned with it being accurate beyond about 1mm or so. Many features will be right on the money but only because there details are referenced elsewhere.

boosted79 09-30-2017 02:11 PM

Are you saying you hand measure each part that you then enter into the visual program?? How many hours do you think you have put into it so far?

Southbay356 09-30-2017 02:23 PM

can you use the basic info to make the Flat 8 that was in that one 914 ?

Catorce 09-30-2017 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southbay356 (Post 9757912)
can you use the basic info to make the Flat 8 that was in that one 914 ?

Not sure who you are asking but I'll bite.

Yes, I am capable of making a flat 8 out of my 6 case pretty easily. Actually the impetus behind this project was a flat 12.

Now that I have spent 1.5 years and 150K modeling the case I can make it a flat 16 if i want, LOL. The only thing that matters is the flywheel and pulley ends; the middle part is easy. Adding 2 extra cylinders in the middle would be elementary at this point.

Optimusglen 09-30-2017 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boosted79 (Post 9757902)
Are you saying you hand measure each part that you then enter into the visual program?? How many hours do you think you have put into it so far?

Yes, pretty much. Things that have measurements that are widely known, or listed in books i.e. crank journal diameters, stroke lengths, etc) I just use the listed dimensions. Everything else gets measured, rough measurements mostly with calipers or rulers, angle measurements down to +/- 2 degrees, everything else is typically within 0.5mm Items that aren't possible to measure with what I have get approximated or I make educated guesses based on casting or machining techniques.

boosted79 09-30-2017 03:40 PM

Wow. I think I will copy some of the images and have some posters made for my shop if you don't mind.

Optimusglen 09-30-2017 07:48 PM

sure thing

boosted79 10-01-2017 03:42 AM

Cool, I'll wait. A blown up copy probably wouldn't come out very good.

Catorce 10-01-2017 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimusglen (Post 9758244)
Well, my plan is to actually make posters once the project is further along. You can copy if you want, or wait till Im done and buy a higher quality print. Also planning an exploded view line drawing screen printed on a t-shirt.

I am in to purchase - I want to be able to support this amazing effort of yours financially, even if only a little. You have every right to charge for this art. I am a buyer. Put me down for whatever it is you are selling from this.

Optimusglen 10-01-2017 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippy (Post 9757616)
I've been using SolidWorks for a couple years and am one of those fanbois. We use Creo too, I may need to try it.

Love this task!!!! Very impressive and a TON of work.

I've found that if you originally learned on Solidworks, or are pretty green, you'll almost always favor Solidworks. I learned on Pro/E, and have been using every new iteration of the software for close to 20 years. So it's no surprise that I'm a Creo fanboy. Haha.



Catorce, thank you!!

Optimusglen 10-11-2017 06:41 AM

Not a lot of progress on it, but I did render an image with the 914-6/GT model I made.

http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4449/36...b8336edf_b.jpg

lvporschepilot 10-11-2017 07:13 AM

That is really outstanding stuff. Love it


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