Well I guess you'll be signing off then?

...I am sure they WILL improve on it, Dr. Curve... yet, it does strike me as funny... we all more or less have figured out that it takes a lot of effort and coin, to improve on the bikes, the Bavarians put out... and honestly, with someone like N8te riding the darn thing... you really don't need to much improvement - if any at all - to have the bike do well... he is so fast and consistent!

I am curious, whether it will be worth the trouble in the end... but we'll all see, I guess... and I sure hope that it will look good for BMW in the end... that would be fun.

What's so hard for you to understand? Describing the failure would compromise SJBMW's racing efforts against other competing BMWs. SJMBW is competing in a venue where there's a lot at stake for them. If that wasn't the case, the information would be readily disclosed. Seems to me our Arts Professor knows a lot more about this issue than our resident wet blanket.

If I understand correctly, the "upgrade" isn't necessarily what caused the failure. It could have simply been the reassembly of the engine after the fact. Since this is probably the first R1200S to have been taken apart, it hasn't happened before -- or will again since its been corrected. (Will there by a recall of the factory repair manuals?)

We're just respecting SJBMW's request. They have their reasons. Seems to me if the failure has nothing to do with the production bikes, then who cares? Consider yourselves lucky SJBMW is as open and forthcoming with the inside scoop as they are. Or would you prefer we violate their trust and be completely in the dark later on?

Steve I can understand but I ask myself if in the end they do more harm than good why they are so secretive about an engine mishap during a race...makes you wonder.
I had like other people no "Schadenfreude" just wanted to know what the failure was...
No worries about the reliabilty about stock bikes since they will never see the same kind of use;300 miles flat out...
Only "Nakedrider" should worry since the racepipe he also uses blew up,darn aftermarket schitt...;-))
Thanks anyways!
Chris
PS:Have fun with the new bike!

Well I guess you'll be signing off then?
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Not really. Just a figure of speech. Kinda like the guy who crashed his Duc and sold his S for his wifes Mercedes SLK than swore off street riding. And then lo and behold he's street riding again. At different levels lifes temptations make us all hypocrites. Its the human condition. I by no means exempt myself from this.

Whats so hard to understand, race teams and engine builders never have and never will share any or all of there tricks. Even the air pressures aren't openly discussed. Thats just part of racing. Hell everyone wants to be a winner. Most shops don't allow you in the service departments , they say its for insurance purposes, basicly they want you out of the way ,but they also don't want you seeing what there doing. I think BMWSJ has shared more tricks, than most . Long Live BMW Motorcycles and BMW San Jose keep up the good work! We certainly could use a few more BMW devoted race teams.

Geez. You remember more about my life than I do. Glad I don't know anything about yours other than the most recent noise you've made. Rock on.

OK, I'm no naysayer and understand a tuners wish for secrecy. But I just find it curious that a bike taken apart and reassembled to factory spec has a problem with one of those specs being wrong and no one can say what that spec was. Couldn't that be a problem with someoe else's bike if they were having major engine work done. How is it a tuning thing that has to be kept secret .. it was a problem straight from the factory's manual.

You guys are funny!!! a good tuner wouldn't tell you the time of day,never mind what is,or isn't going on in his engine,why should he,you guys are just punters!!,jeeze i've seen an RC45 throw a rod,and Honda claimed electrical failure

There are a lot of people out there who miss the point, both the 1100s,and more so the 1200 are on the edge as it is,hence why BMW are haveing trouble building the HP version,some in the trade reckon it'll never happen,well not in aircooled form.

Maybe the story about the problem being a BMW spec in the manual isn't true, just a cover up story?

For those of us who watched the leader board on the internet during the race and were horrified to see the bike stop near the end of the race, we have justifiable curiosity to provide some kind of closure to the day.

If nobody wants to talk about it with the fans, fine. I would say that the spectator stands might be a little less full for the race next time, but after reviewing the pictures I dropped that idea as impossible to make worse.

I'm reminded of some Indy 500 race when I was a kid where the lead lost it because of an insignificant part failure. Everybody knew the story and went on.

Best of luck the remainder of the season to all ! I'll still be following when I can.

geo

I've read this thread with some amusement.
such total bovine feces.
anyone who's competed at even a serious club level knows that giving up ANY info is giving up an edge.
Go ask a decent privateer team what tire pressures they run (if you're a stranger) and they MIGHT just blow you off and they MIGHT just CHASE you off.
I used to have my 1%'r buddies keep the unwashed well away from our pits when we brewed up our fuel.
SJBMW is most forthcoming about almost everything, and anyone who thinks that them giving up info or not giving up info is gonna make any difference at all to the crowd is....well...whatever. Delusional is the kindest thing I can come up with.

This is TRULY a tempest in a teapot.
this is RACING for chrissake...schisa happens and bulletproof bricks turn to powder instantly in the heat of battle.
I'd bet Chris Hodgson won't be losing any sleep to the fact he isn't showing you the brown streaks in his underwear, so to speak, as everyone has 'em.
sheesh, get a life, folks.

'always big words but not much content'

obviously any word that's more than one syllable is beyond you, CG.

except for 'heil hitler', of course.

Let's tone it down guys, please. The insulting and/or political stuff will be getting tossed.

Jonny to say it with your own words you again talk "bovine feces"...;-))
There was a simple question what went wrong with the engine at the Moto-ST race and you obviously had no answer,either...
Chris

Albert are you the kindergarten lady??
You must be otherwise you would not have censored off my post...ridicolous!
Anyways this forum is probably half as big as the cemetary of Des Moines,IA but twice as dead...
Have fun,boys and girls!
Political??To say I'd rather know anyways what happened to Bush&the gang instead of the R1200S engine...You have no sense of humour!
Chris

Bears repeating.

Bob you don't get it,either...
What is so secretive about an engine that makes 112 rwhp in stock fom in a class that allows 118rwhp max??We talk about 6 hp difference from a 1200cc engine.A stock 07 CB600RR engine with half the displacement will make the same power.What "secrects" are they giving away if they say a bearing seized,or piston burned a whole,aftermarket fuel nanny quit,valve spring broke,or rocker arm or whatever?Nothing!
But they for sure would kill the curiosity an our guessing what might be a weak spot in the R1200S engine...
I think the secrecy does more harm than good but I guess it makes a few souls "special"...
Anyways life goes on.there are more important things.As for my truck I'm not one of the special boys my injectors went out...
But please don't tell nobody...;-))Big secret!
Chris