R1200S engine failure/Steve Carlton

Chris Geuting · 03-20-2007, 02:23 PM

Hi Steve
Since you have a direct link and always are nice enough to let us know whats going on at San Jose BMW do you know what went wrong with the R1200S Moto-ST engine, leading until it went kaputt.Some people,including myself for sure would like to knwow just out of curiosity if it was something big or small.If you already posted I apologize but hopefully you are nice enough to do it again...;-)Thanks!
Chris

Bob Hancock · 03:08 PM

but I ain't tellin'....especially to the naysayers who will use the most innocent piece of information to stir their cauldron.

Steve Carlton · 03-20-2007, 03:04 PM

Dean answered the same question on his website:

"Yes we know exactly what it was and is easily fixed, an incorrect factory spec. I had best not go into it further in an open forum however. Won't happen again. I'll tell you when I see you one of these days."

Dr. Curve · 03-20-2007, 04:20 PM

I know very well what happened and it was tuner induced, and in no way related to a inherent engine design flaw, inferior part, or system failure.........as some of the "consistent nay-sayers" would so ardently hope was the case. Sorry, but the R12S is the real thing and it's future is very bright.

NakedRider · 03-20-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Dr. Curve
I know very well what happened and it was tuner induced, and in no way related to a inherent engine design flaw, inferior part, or system failure.........as some of the "consistent nay-sayers" would so ardently hope was the case. Sorry, but the R12S is the real thing and it's future is very bright.

That's good to know. I've been running my pretty hard lately. Never had any problems but...

pdonnell · 03-20-2007, 04:38 PM

Wow!! This place has really free falled into a girlie man's sorority.
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What can I do to join? Drink the cool aid, pledge blind allegiance and keep secrets..... yippeeeee.....I promise I won't tell.

Flatbutt1 · 03-20-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by pdonnell
Wow!! This place has really free falled into a girlie man's sorority.
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What can I do to join? Drink the cool aid, pledge blind allegiance and keep secrets..... yippeeeee.....I promise I won't tell.

well you could kiss our azzes

Moybin · 03-20-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Flatbutt1
well you could kiss our azzes

Not with another man's lips!

Sounds like their (BMW Motorad's) QS9000 program broke down. The real problem with all these computer-based control systems. One fly-phart in the paperwork and the whole thing stumbles and pukes, be it a misplaced decimal point, using the wrong units (inches vs. mm) or misplaced revisions and updates (Oh, that's right, we did away with that in Rev. B).

Deans BMW · 03-20-2007, 05:23 PM

Guys, what happened to the SJBMW bike will not happen to your bike. The engine was completely disassembled and re assembled, a factory spec in the re assy was incorrect. The published to dealers factory spec was followed to the letter, subsequently the spec has been changed. When assyed at the factory it is done to the proper spec. You can go as far as to pull the heads,cylinders and pistons and still not get into the area that we are talking about.

Perhaps something else, this is racing with the big boys after all, but for sure what happened at Daytona won't happen again.

To repeate, it is not a problem on any of your bikes.

Bob Hancock · 03-20-2007, 05:32 PM

Good to know Dean. Some of us actually have one.

Dan Alexander · Dan Alexander's Garage

OK, it wasn't an inherent problem in the bike but it's still a secret?

Deans BMW · 03-20-2007, 05:54 PM

YEP.

Dan Alexander · Dan Alexander's Garage

well, aren't we tight lipped

Bob Hancock · 03-20-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Dan Alexander
OK, it wasn't an inherent problem in the bike but it's still a secret?

It's a racing thing, Dan. Kinda like when Nicky Haydens bike quits....the ubiquitous "electrical problem" explanation. I don't understand it either.

Rapid Dog · 03-20-2007, 06:34 PM

...naysayers suck...

Dr. Curve · 03-20-2007, 06:38 PM

Tricks that tuners use, especially good tuners, should not be made public. The racers edge is just that. Mums the word on what has been done to a engine and what has not..........as it should be.

pdonnell · 06:48 PM

Tricks that tuners use, especially good tuners, should not be made public. The racers edge is just that. Mums the word on what has been done to a engine and what has not..........as it should be.
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And thats coming from an Arts instructor guys!!!! This isn't secret squirrel stuff. Unless Bob Hancock wants to have the upper edge over Rapid Dog or Acid in a race.

signit98 · 03-20-2007, 06:52 PM

...funny though, how last year it was supposedly completely stock and ran the others into the ground... and this season, the "Experts" start fiddling around with it and - voila - the very first race the bike gives up.... interesting progression!

pdonnell · 06:59 PM

Yea, like the accolades about it being a great bike in its own right. Can hold up with the best of them. And as soon as thats said the owners around here want a different ratio rear-end. I think more naysayers and less hypocrites around here would be an improvement.

Dr. Curve · 03-20-2007, 06:59 PM

Good point signit98..............note that the R12S bikes that were not "fiddled with" as you put it..............did finish and place well. Still.......improvements can and will be made. Not to worry, the boys at SJBMW will make amends and when they do........its back to the trophy stand for them. Chris may have slipped a bit this time but his traction will return.