Daytona Highlights: the gusts, the curse, the BMW, the winner - Page 2

Highlander179 · 03-09-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by roger albert

So, did the beemers use a single-pit vs a dual strategy, thus minimizing their top speed advantage.

from what I understand, they did two, but since BMW has endurance experience, I think they did a lot of passing in the pits over the ~40 privateers that they were up against. pits was a huge advantage for them over the privateers. I know a privateer in the back of the pack that went the whole distance on one set of tires because he had only his wife for pit crew.

BMW Atlanta · 03-09-2008, 06:52 AM

BMW AG was doing 11sec pit stops!!! that's about 10 seconds faster then the MotoST stops with fuel/tire change. The MotoST does not allow the hardware though that the endurance HP2's were using.

On another note, evidently the BMW's gained another position as Josh Hayes's bike was DQ'ed with an illegal crank.

Cooper 5th, Parriott 6th !!

Deans BMW · 03-09-2008, 07:02 AM

An amazing effort by all.

5axis · 03-09-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Highlander179

I think they did a lot of passing in the pits over the ~40 privateers that they were up against. pits was a huge advantage for them over the privateers. I know a privateer in the back of the pack that went the whole distance on one set of tires because he had only his wife for pit crew.

amen. There a lot of guys burning their vacations and every extra $ just to play in the big show.

This was a very good showing for BMW, no doubt. Hopefully the new "ama" proracing will even the playing field for the rest of the grid.

Sideshow_S · 03-09-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Highlander179

I know a privateer in the back of the pack that went the whole distance on one set of tires because he had only his wife for pit crew.

Awesome.

I'm sure there will eventually be a rule that will require at least one change per X amount of laps. I didn't hear about that racer. Awesome awesome awesome.

I can't imagine, however, a guy saying to a bike forum of whatever brand he's riding "I'm gonna race Daytona, any locals with experience wanna be my pit crew?" and not having a few helping hands! Or has his wife got him that strung up? :P

RC51DRAG · 03-09-2008, 10:55 AM

11 seconds is very quick. IIRC Matt Mladin on his 4 stop victory, the last superbike Daytona 200 you know the one where Dave Sadowski was saying there was no way Mladin was going to win

, was doing 11 second pit stops to Honda's 15-19 second stops. I timed them and there was a significant differential between the Suzuki and Honda camps pit stops that year and that contributed to Mladin using a 4th stop. IIRC that was also the last time you could fly down the pit lane, no speed limiter so the 4th stop's impact was really diminished. If I'm correct abotu the aforementioned, BMW achieved quite a bit with 11 second pits stops because the Ducati 848 and Honda factory teams seemed to be the only ones doing stops near 11 seconds. Correct me if I'm wrong because unfortunately the pit stops were not covered as well as in the past and didn't allow me to utilize my stop watch to full effect.

RC51DRAG · 03-09-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Highlander179

I know a privateer in the back of the pack that went the whole distance on one set of tires because he had only his wife for pit crew.

These are the kinds of stories Daytona should cover to encourage the sport. NASCAR has this type fo heart strings under-dog story-making covered on a weekly basis. Hopefully the new owners wil sprinkle some of that marketing magic on the US motorcycle racing scene.

5axis · 03-09-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sideshow_S

awesome.

I can't imagine, however, a guy saying to a bike forum of whatever brand he's riding "I'm gonna race Daytona, any locals with experience wanna be my pit crew?" and not having a few helping hands! :P

DIS is a freekin expensive place to race. A volunteer crew would still have to pay the DIS fees for the privilage of helping out a rider. A few friends have won CCS am championships there and one explained how it cost him $4k to race and win 1 class when all expenses were totalled. DIS has earned it's reputation for being a PITA, but someday I'd like to give it a go myself. Maybe run my big Ape in CCS supertwins.

John Lyon · 03-09-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sideshow_S

I can't imagine, however, a guy saying to a bike forum of whatever brand he's riding "I'm gonna race Daytona, any locals with experience wanna be my pit crew?" and not having a few helping hands!

Perhaps it was just the cost of buying a second set of wheels.

Highlander179 · 03-09-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 5axis

Hopefully the new "ama" proracing will even the playing field for the rest of the grid.

SuperBike is going to go with stock bikes, spec tires, and spec fuel are whats rumored for '09.

5axis · 03-09-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Highlander179

SuperBike is going to go with stock bikes, spec tires, and spec fuel are whats rumored for '09.

It is all probably for the better, but there are going to be lots of angry big shots and a handfull of happy winners (tire, fuel deals)

The SB 's are getting rediculous.. The bikes are spinning the rear tire all the way around the banking in 6th. I heard Yosh was showing rearwheel speeds of 225 mph.

Bob Hancock · 03-09-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Highlander179

SuperBike is going to go with stock bikes, spec tires, and spec fuel are whats rumored for '09.

That would make it more competitive wouldn't it? Especially with the BMW newcomer?

Highlander179 · 03:53 PM

meh, they're taking the Super out of SuperBike IMO. But yes, it will make BMW competitive right off the bat, with the right rider.

so Bobby, is it official yet? Are we gonna see youzeguys at Barber in April?

Deans BMW · 03-09-2008, 05:38 PM

You will see San Jose for sure.

Guest24 · 03-09-2008, 05:54 PM

Dean, if you didn't see my other post, SJBWM was being credited by the track announcer for Brian's ride in the 200. Poetic justice you think?

Bob Hancock · 03-09-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Highlander179

meh, they're taking the Super out of SuperBike IMO.

I don't think that way, George. Rather it'll make the privateers more competitive. Time for the factories to run what they sell, not "tune" their bikes into MotoGP clones.

Deans BMW · 03-09-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nail24

Dean, if you didn't see my other post, SJBWM was being credited by the track announcer for Brian's ride in the 200. Poetic justice you think?

Bubba, I saw that, thought it was great, called Chris and told him, he thought it was cool.

His bike is on the road back to San Jose, and expect to see some intresting developments out of them. They are expecting the bike to arrive in San Jose on Wed.

Guest24 · 03-09-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deans BMW

Bubba, I saw that, thought it was great, called Chris and told him, he thought it was cool.

His bike is on the road back to San Jose, and expect to see some intresting developments out of them. They are expecting the bike to arrive in San Jose on Wed.

I got Chris to sign the BMW race booking they passed out at the reception Friday night. I heard the the HP2's dyno 132 hp--rear wheel-- at the track. Maybe Chris can get confirmation on that. I'll be interested to see what the SJ team can jack that up to after they play with it.
Didn't get to see the official lap times but my Timex had them running in the 1:45's approx 4secs off the pace; but, the HP2 will do better I thinks on a tighter race with shorter straights. Brian appeared to be braking about 30 yards deeper into turn 4 than the other Pacific Rim bikes. How's that for political correctness.

I hoping BMW AG will rethink their strategy give the fact that the HP2 Spt in the hands of excellent riders can gain them some good recognition.

Highlander179 · 03-09-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Hancock

I don't think that way, George. Rather it'll make the privateers more competitive. Time for the factories to run what they sell, not "tune" their bikes into MotoGP clones.

yea, the poor privateers. if they cant afford it, maybe they shouldn't be there. thats what the stock classes are for. SuperBike is supposed to be the premiere class in production bike racing, adjusted and customized to get the maximum performance out of them. Dumbing the class down so poor guys who race slow can be competitive is just plain retarded. Building the premiere class to the LCD, or making everything equal is what NASCAR did. Is that what you want? A 2-wheeled NASCAR?

Guest24 · 03-10-2008, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Highlander179

yea, the poor privateers. if they cant afford it, maybe they shouldn't be there. thats what the stock classes are for. SuperBike is supposed to be the premiere class in production bike racing, adjusted and customized to get the maximum performance out of them. Dumbing the class down so poor guys who race slow can be competitive is just plain retarded. Building the premiere class to the LCD, or making everything equal is what NASCAR did. Is that what you want? A 2-wheeled NASCAR?

IROC is what NASCAR has become. Air dam up and down--rear spoiler big and little depending on how much you whine.extreme and superbike lend themselves to advancing technology also.