Performance Help!

[03 Boxer]

Ok.....I need some help. I've PM'd some on this site asking this question and have received good feedback but I still don't have the answer I'm looking for. I own an 03 BCR with just at 6,000 miles. This is a very stock bike with the exception of the charcoal cannister being removed. In regards to my BMW ownership in the past, I've had all "K" models, Lt/RS and the 1200S. I fell in love with the BCR and told myself I had to have it. I bought the BC in Jan of this year and love everything about it EXCEPT for the power. Top end speed is not a big issue to me as much as the lower and mid-range. Excluding the K1200 LT, this is by far the slowest BMW I've owned and it's causing me so much stress. One minute I'm ready to sell and the next I read something and think maybe there's hope. I've been following this forum almost as long as I've had my bike and there's been some great info passed around. But I guess I've never really come out and asked the question, how much more power can I get out of the BCR with mods excluding getting into the heads (I'm a little nervous about doing that). I'm not looking for, "you can get a little more", I'm looking for actual numbers if possible. If it's possible to spend 3 or 4K and get a good noticeable difference, that's what I'm looking for.
I don't want to sell but this power issue is driving me crazy. Thanks for your inputs, I look forward to reading them.

[shreddr]

EZ Rider and PMC will probably tell you how they gots lots of power out of their R11S bikes, but they made many mods including headwork and larger 1150 cylinders and pistons. you can spend the 3-4 grand and get about 100RWHP out of your BCR. or you can sell it, add the 3-4 grand and get an R12S and experience powerband nirvana, along with 50 lbs less weight.

your money, your choice

[Steve Carlton]

I don't think you'll get anywhere near where you want to be for $3-4K, but for about that same amount you could upgrade to an R1200S, assuming it would work for you. That puppy delivers, but you should try one out.

[PFFOG]

Keep the motor singing, and tap dance on the shifter. I can't see what you would do with more low end power anyway, unless you want to pull power wheelies.

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by PFFOG

....what you would do with more low end power anyway, unless you want to pull power wheelies.

oh yeah!!!!

[roger albert]

Shreddr's partially right, but it's simultaneously a very myopic view. Trying to get speed out of either the 11/12 is really quibbling over how thick the pig ought to be lipsticked. They're both slow bikes in the overall scheme. The 12 only looks good in a side by side with a similarly prepared (or not prepared) 11. Any of them are slow and expensive compared to any 600 or 1000, and yet both are more than most can use in the curves. The extra power is mostly good for a straight line, and a chimp can do that. Even a retarded chimp. A good rider on a bone stock 11S will run faster than a regular guy on an S1000RR, much less an R12S.

You really have to do what feels right to you. In the overall scheme of things, the 11 and 12 are too very cool, and fairly slow bikes. But if you like it, stick with it. If you like the rush of throttle primarily, by a cheap 10 year old R1. In short, get what feels right for you, and keep the big picture in mind.

Good luck.

[Corky]

Originally Posted by roger albert

Shreddr's partially right, but it's simultaneously a very myopic view. Trying to get speed out of either the 11/12 is really quibbling over how thick the pig ought to be lipsticked. They're both slow bikes in the overall scheme. The 12 only looks good in a side by side with a similarly prepared (or not prepared) 11. Any of them are slow and expensive compared to any 600 or 1000, and yet both are more than most can use in the curves. The extra power is mostly good for a straight line, and a chimp can do that. Even a retarded chimp. A good rider on a bone stock 11S will run faster than a regular guy on an S1000RR, much less an R12S.

You really have to do what feels right to you. In the overall scheme of things, the 11 and 12 are too very cool, and fairly slow bikes. But if you like it, stick with it. If you like the rush of throttle primarily, by a cheap 10 year old R1. In short, get what feels right for you, and keep the big picture in mind.

Good luck.

Well said Roger

[shreddr]

Roger is partially right, but his response is always racer based. If you want top SPEED get a liter bike, even a 5 year old bike is gonna have 40 more HP than an R12S. My comment was about the powerband. the R12S comes on in a beautiful linear fashion, and has a real top end kick. As a matter of fact if you look at the dyno trace for the S1000RR you will see a similar HP value at equivalent RPM for both the R12S and the S1000RR, at about 9000rpm they are both close, especially if you are comparing a tuned R12S. The big difference of course is that the S1000RR revs another 6000rpm after the R12S redlines. as far as the R11 and R12 being slow in the grand scheme of things, yes that is true, but if you are riding on the street the extra 50HP is probably unnecessary, unless of course you are a chimp.

[onekiwi]

After riding a K1200S most bikes are going to seem down on power!

[twodear]

Originally Posted by 03 Boxer

I'm looking for actual numbers if possible. If it's possible to spend 3 or 4K and get a good noticeable difference, that's what I'm looking for.

I did nothing to the engine on my 11S except for a Techlusion and an exhaust system that was home made, composed of a y-piece to replace the cat. The outlet led to a single silencer. After tuning on a dyno the bike achieved just over 100 rwhp for less than AU$700.

A PCIII or Rapid Bike, with dyno time and fiddling, along with free-flow airfilter, a good aftermarket exhaust is sure to get you another ?? 5-10 rwhp? This additional cost will be $1000- $1700 depending on source of parts, new or used bits.

It will then be a less-slow cool bike that has bling with street credibility (priceless )

EDIT: oh wait...BCR came with a Lazer exhaust didn't it? Then you're already money ahead, the PCIII or RB3 is only another $500-$600.

[roadrash666]

Are you still whippin that horse dude? A 90 odd horsepower 500 pound bike will only do so much( and if I remember correctly your like 6'5 and 265 ). Love your BCR for what it is, because what it is aint all that fast. Despite what certain semi delusional R1200S owners believe these aren't supersport bikes, that being said I don't go out to the garage just to stare at my Kawasaki. I do however catch my self standing there just admiring the BCR because it is a beautiful bike and a hoot to ride on a twisty road. Find tighter roads and enjoy the torqe curve, remember not all fun bikes have to be screaming fast. Good luck bro

[postal joe]

You could do what i did and ride an 84 R100 around for a while, get used to that, then finally get that r1100s you always wanted and just be in awe in how fast and powerful it is compared to your old airhead......worked for me and i still smile every time i go out
ps my airhead is for sale.......let me know

[hawkeyejohn14]

I agree with Roger, but sometimes especially here in straight road country, this chimp wants to have that S1000RR. Then again the LEO would be all over me, they have about nailed me a number of times on the donkey and I was just having fun, she likes to run.... once the Sheriff did nail me but then they looked at the bike and figured they had it wrong, we had a good chat though.

An inexpensive Hyabusa set-up for the strip might be the way the get it out of my system. They had a brand new old school 06 for $8,500 last year at one dealer around here.

[sgoodwin]

Originally Posted by onekiwi

After riding a K1200S most bikes are going to seem down on power!

Funny, I felt that way about the k12s after my first ride on this.......

[turboflyer]

[/QUOTE]

I love that shot, perfect. Not that i havent used my share on different vehicles over the years. Too funny.

[hawkeyejohn14]

I think I saw her down here in Ioway. Beauty as they say is in the eye of the beholder, power however is substantive. It's just how much and if you can control it and does the shoe fit, because I have seen some fast shoes on others but they just don't fit my wide feet. Nike vs. New Balance.... I saw Michael Johnson set the record in the 200m at the 96 Olympics, but those gold shoes wouldn't fit me and even if they did, I still couldn't run even close to Michael.

WHat the H3ll was I talking about? Dang pain pills, still can't ride, waiting to see the doc June 9th and every time I see my Physical Therapist I imagine her in a torturers mask. Don't ever tear your rotator cuff!

[roger albert]

Ahhh yes, the rotator cuff. No fun. I had 3 tears in mine. Did surgery for the 3 of those, plus grinding bone on both ball and socket, plus top of the clavicle. Did it 12 hours (630am) the morning after the last day of race season. No fun. Do the PT and take care of yourself!!!

[hawkeyejohn14]

three tears oh my! we didn't even know mine was torn until the doc in there, ended up with about a 5' incision on top and the bone grinding on the clavicle and usual clean-up as planned. Mine was a cake walk compared to yours, only 2 1/2 hours. I have about 4 weeks of PT in so far, now doing some stuff at home. I can't believe baseball pitchers come back from this to throw as hard as they did before, much respect to them.
Glad I had it done or I would have missed it was torn at all, the shoulder just hurt a lot after use. I am looking forward to riding again, but will listen to the doc and take it easy as I don't want to screw it up.

[roger albert]

Actually, it sounds pretty familiar. I had all the symptoms of at least one tear, but none of it showed up on MRI. When the went in for the 3 bone grinds, they found the 3 tears. Mine's about 5" on top, plus 3 holes on the side. I did not listen while brain was clouded by painpills, and did a bit of damage by going to the gym within a week. I'll never know what it could have been, but for sure, I can't imagine the baseball pitcher scenario. Not even close. 1.5 years later, and mine is no where near that strong. Better for sure, but it was slow healing. Took over 6 months before I decided I was better than break even, and another 6 months before I was sure. Also, I broke some ribs not long after, and that affected my PT, as did the start of the next race season less than 4 months later. You're not likely to have that much complication Most seem to do better, so I bet you'll be fine.

[RoLoo]

Originally Posted by roger albert

The 12 only looks good in a side by side with a similarly prepared (or not prepared) 11.







Any of them are slow...

...there goes the fun...



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