Put away that video camera, it could be a felony! - Page 2

SergioK · 07-09-2010, 03:02 PM

What happened with this?

cageyar · cageyar's Garage

12 states have passed some form of legislation that makes video recording police activity/procedures illegal. This is in response to the increasing use of remote/handheld/cell phone video recording capabilty and the wide spread use of posting sites such as YouTube, Facebook, etc. Maryland, where I believe this event took place, is one of those states.

hawkeyejohn14 · hawkeyejohn14's Garage

They can watch us but we can't watch them, sounds an awful lot like big brother to me.
It's funny that there are dash cams, plus Maryland has cameras to observe people around areas of the state (no expectation of privacy for us from big brother). I can't wait to see this go the Supreme Court. A real double standard....

The police think this will protect them from any more videos of Rodney King type beat downs.

Are Cameras the New Guns?

Watch the videos on this one, It sounds like the current federal government is using this as well against the media for the oil disaster in the Gulf.
Also one a LEO running a stop sign and hitting a motorcyclist.
Photography is Not a Crime — It’s a First Amendment Right

Guest24 · 04:08 PM

You and your lawyer can get a copy of the digital recording from the cops camera. If stopped, always remain in full view of the dash camera. It protects you just as much as it protects the LEO.

I think that you just can't film them without their knowing it and their consent.

hawkeyejohn14 · hawkeyejohn14's Garage

and how many times have dash cam recordings disappeared or not been working or in many cases what happens is done out of view and away from said cameras.

Are Cameras the New Guns?
The first officer to be convicted was New York City Police Officer Patrick Pogan, who would never have stood trial had it not been for a video posted on Youtube showing him body slamming a bicyclist before charging him with assault on an officer.

or the video on the GOPRO that started this discussion, there was no dash cam by the cowboy who jumped out of his car with his gun drawn and failed to identify himself.

SergioK · 07-09-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cageyar

12 states have passed some form of legislation that makes video recording police activity/procedures illegal. This is in response to the increasing use of remote/handheld/cell phone video recording capabilty and the wide spread use of posting sites such as YouTube, Facebook, etc. Maryland, where I believe this event took place, is one of those states.

I like how the land of the 'free' (to pass more and more laws) is trying to stop this. I don't care how many laws they pass, the gov't can't stop people from recording stuff and posting it on the internet. It's not going to happen, the genie is out of the bottle!

I wouldn't be surprised if the Maryland Supreme Court doesn't overturn this law but if the U.S. Supreme Court considers hearing this case and they rule against the private citizen the founding fathers would roll over in their graves.

martincito · 07-09-2010, 08:50 PM

After Abu Ghraib they learned that is not good for their image to be recorded while in duty.

cageyar · cageyar's Garage

I've been pulled over and ticketed more than most, I'd imagine.
I've carried max points on my license in NJ 4 times (12) so I've had at least 50 instances of interacting with law enforcement for speeding, careless driving/riding, for passing on double yellow, etc. if you include the times I was let off without a ticket

Some LEO's have been decent, some have been a**holes. I've never had a problem with any of them except once when I was 19 and got a little agitated-had the cuffs on for a little while. I stay calm and respectful even if the LEO's demeanor is poor-they are THE law-you're nobody and you'll be less than nobody if you act agressively or say something stupid. I always keep my hands in plain sight and I never get off the bike until the LEO approaches and engages.

BTW, I almost didn't get a company car when joining Mitsubishi recently because, well, you know. Fortunately, I provided a letter explaining some "extenuating" circumstance and they let me drive their cars. But I still can't drive an EVO or Ralliart-no turbos for those with points.

SergioK · 07-10-2010, 07:04 AM

I view those points as 'rewards' for enjoying the privilege! Too bad the gov't doesn't see it the same way! LOL

hawkeyejohn14 · hawkeyejohn14's Garage

It's always white older guys who take this position.

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Originally Posted by cageyar

I've been pulled over and ticketed more than most, I'd imagine.
I've carried max points on my license in NJ 4 times (12) so I've had at least 50 instances of interacting with law enforcement for speeding, careless driving/riding, for passing on double yellow, etc. if you include the times I was let off without a ticket

Some LEO's have been decent, some have been a**holes. I've never had a problem with any of them except once when I was 19 and got a little agitated-had the cuffs on for a little while. I stay calm and respectful even if the LEO's demeanor is poor-they are THE law-you're nobody and you'll be less than nobody if you act agressively or say something stupid. I always keep my hands in plain sight and I never get off the bike until the LEO approaches and engages.

BTW, I almost didn't get a company car when joining Mitsubishi recently because, well, you know. Fortunately, I provided a letter explaining some "extenuating" circumstance and they let me drive their cars. But I still can't drive an EVO or Ralliart-no turbos for those with points.

klennop · 07-13-2010, 09:39 AM

Well I can say in our last trip down to the Gap area, a group of us were stopped in the Highlands at a roadblock. We came around the corner and BAM, there they were, about 5 or 6 cop cars. I thought there was a prison break or something with all those cops. Nope, just asked for license and registration, showed them, they checked our plates and off we went. Even told us to ride safe and have a great trip. All the wasted money though with all those cops just sitting there. I think if you have what they are looking for and you give respect you will get respect, most of the time, but not all the time.

Now when we got nailed for passing in a double yellow in GA(Blount County), they were not so polite. We came around a bend and a cop was in the middle of the road flagging us over while another cop pushed us in from the rear. I thought it was a great photo opportunity, they however did not think so. No chance to say anything, just started writing tickets. Then when the one officer saw the camera we were threatened for obstructing justice, and a bunch of other things, needless to say the cameras went away but I got some nice group shots. Makes me not want to post any pictures on here though after all the talk about warrants, etc.

SergioK · 07-13-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by klennop

... Makes me not want to post any pictures on here though after all the talk about warrants, etc.

And we were taught to 'fear' communism... ironic that 'we won that war' and now have to fear our very own 'free' gov't. ha! The land of the free... I love it!

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

Before you pulled out the camera's, and putting the officers in the defensive (why would you grab a camera, you must think they are doing something wrong and are going proof to sue them), you could have asked and explained what and why, and they'd probably been ok with it. I mean, if you have model photography as a hobby and sit on a terrace having a drink and there is a gorgious lady at the next table, you don't go taking pictures either w/o asking and risking an uppercut from the b/f. Just because by law you are entitled to take pictures of everything and everyone as long as it is a public place does not mean you always can or should w/o being polite and ask for permission. Especially when it comes to public officials doing their duty.

klennop · 07-13-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by throttlemeister

Before you pulled out the camera's, and putting the officers in the defensive (why would you grab a camera, you must think they are doing something wrong and are going proof to sue them), you could have asked and explained what and why, and they'd probably been ok with it. I mean, if you have model photography as a hobby and sit on a terrace having a drink and there is a gorgious lady at the next table, you don't go taking pictures either w/o asking and risking an uppercut from the b/f.

The officers were in the defensive before we even got off out bikes, it wasn't the camera's. If the officers thought they were doing something wrong, why would they threaten to fine us with obstructing justice. That makes no sense at all. It shouldn't be against the law to document your arrest whether it be you taking a picture or someone else. Did the guy who filmed the Rodney King controversy get thrown in jail or fined?

Also if a lady is dressed nice and she knows she is hot, why wouldn't she want her picture taken. Why would you ask her boyfriend, when it isn't his body?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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Originally Posted by klennop

The officers were in the defensive before we even got off out bikes, it wasn't the camera's. If the officers thought they were doing something wrong, why would they threaten to fine us with obstructing justice. That makes no sense at all. It shouldn't be against the law to document your arrest whether it be you taking a picture or someone else. Did the guy who filmed the Rodney King controversy get thrown in jail or fined?

I would have demanded they call their supervisor to the scene right there. Then I'd ask him to explain their reason for stopping me. I'd follow up with a letter to the local US Atty. and ask for an investigation into civil rights violations. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

SergioK · 07-13-2010, 02:39 PM

Also, you have no assumption of privacy when in public because... well... you are in public!

And, for those agency's who have in-dash cameras, you don't see the cops threatening their supervisors for obstruction... that's absurd.

lightfighter · 07-13-2010, 03:01 PM

I would like to see that "illegal wiretapping" case fought out to the highest levels... thats crap.

Im pretty sure the Hells Angles have video of me being... well, profesional, I guess. I didnt liek that they were videoing me, but on the whole, who gives a damn, if you arent screwing up.

lightfighter · 07-13-2010, 03:14 PM

i just found and watched a longer version. Im surprised the rider stopped where he did. It looked like he passed the (probably off duty in his personal vehicle) cop who then stomped on it to chase him down. rider looks behind him at the grey car staying with him, there is an open lane and an easy oppurtunity to get lost in traffic.

id bet the riding seen on his own video would convist him of criminal speed, possibly reckless, but it looks pretty bad for the cop too. Ive no problem with him rushing up to get a plate, but he could possibly have been justifyably run over by the motorcycle when he jumped out with the gun(under Arizona criminal justification, self defense)

Guest24 · 07-13-2010, 03:24 PM

Excellent perspective, Brian. Were you a LEO at some point in your life?

Aaahhh, the angelic angels.

Time for a glass of Cab Sav and a cigar for is ole boy.

lightfighter · 07-13-2010, 03:50 PM

hehe...