Put away that video camera, it could be a felony! - Page 4

Backwoodsboy · 07-15-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hawkeyejohn14

or the video on the GOPRO that started this discussion, there was no dash cam by the cowboy who jumped out of his car with his gun drawn and failed to identify himself.

At that point in time I would have felt in danger for my life, pulled my firearm and tagged him with a few rounds, It my right to protect myself and I would use it. I would explain it was either him or me.

lightfighter · 07-15-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Backwoodsboy

At that point in time I would have felt in danger for my life, pulled my firearm and tagged him with a few rounds, It my right to protect myself and I would use it. I would explain it was either him or me.

you are forgetting that in this senario, you were just running almost twice the speed limit on a highway, doing a wheelie, and in all probablity, you know that there is a marked police car behind you. that unmarked(or civilian) car has just blocked your escape route. Your response is exactly why police officers are allowed to produce a firearm under circumstances that the public doesnt care to think through logically or with a technical perspective. Cops are expected to win every gunfight they get in, and the occasional faux paux of drawing when not required is just an "oops", that can be learned from.

martincito · 07-15-2010, 04:37 PM

If I'm the rider I'll be in my knees begging to the guy with the gun to not shoot me. After he identifies as a cop I would also be begging for not being tased.

If you try to run over you can end up like a strainer. Ask Sean Bell.

lightfighter · 07-15-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by martincito

If I'm the rider I'll be in my knees begging to the guy with the gun to not shoot me. After he identifies as a cop I would also be begging for not being tased.

If you try to run over you can end up like a strainer. Ask Sean Bell.

well, thats probably a good plan, but my little "plan" assumes I have come to believe I am about to be shot by some psycho.

Backwoodsboy · 07-16-2010, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lightfighter

you are forgetting that in this senario, you were just running almost twice the speed limit on a highway, doing a wheelie, and in all probablity, you know that there is a marked police car behind you. that unmarked(or civilian) car has just blocked your escape route. Your response is exactly why police officers are allowed to produce a firearm under circumstances that the public doesnt care to think through logically or with a technical perspective.

I bump well over twice the speed limit every day, and a wheelie is just a warm up to let me know my carbon fiber wheels are not going to shatter after hitting a small pothole. jk

I dont see where these are life threatening to the officer, He didnt identify himself, for all the rider knew its a power tripping motorists, I come across these people every so often and words can be swapped, no big deal, as soon as they touch me or my bike, I swing carbon fiber knuckles across thier face! Theres nothing better than leaving a girls punk boyfriend on the ground and driving off waving good bye to her.

OwenM · 07-16-2010, 05:02 AM

It's interesting that in the “land of the free” its on offence to record a Police officer doing his/her duty but in the land down under where we cannot lawfully carry hand guns there is nothing to prevent use doing so.

If a Police officer pulled a gun on a motorist here without being in direct threat of his life he would consider his career over or at the very least very damaged.

lightfighter · 07-16-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OwenM

It's interesting that in the “land of the free” its on offence to record a Police officer doing his/her duty .

it isnt, the charge is garbage.... best guess is they are applying a phone wire tapping law to the recording of a conversation. its crap.

squall_line · 07-22-2010, 04:38 AM

An article written recently by a law professor and published in Popular Mechanics about the rights of photographers in public places, with a brief mention of the original incident:

Taking Photos in Public Places is not a Crime

Apologies for the necro-bump, but as soon as I started reading the article, I thought of this thread!

Guest24 · 07-22-2010, 04:55 AM

This incident is one that I hope the ACLU (don't really like these Alpha Hotels) will take to the Supreme Court of the United States of America. This is not the PRC or the old USSR.

BMathison · 07-22-2010, 01:39 PM

As one that makes his living by filming and being filmed in public places (on a motorcycle), I would suggest a little reading of some laws needs to be done. The key word there is "public".

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

That was the whole point of the link I posted a few pages ago, but I guess people don't care. A simple search on "photographers rights" in Google is also very revealing.

Fenring · 07-22-2010, 03:52 PM

I apologize for responding to this with great time delay, but I just read this fro the first time and if I don't I won't be able to go to sleep.

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Originally Posted by JonyRR

hmmm.....if every german jew would have met the gestapo at the door witrh a knife, pitchfork or (shudder) firearm there would have been no holocaust...and I am 1/2 german so I am entitled to say my mind.
an unarmed people is a slave people. The right to bear weapons is the right to be free.

Don't be naive. You can have a freakin' howitzer in your back yard and it wouldn't help a bit if you don't know when and from what direction the enemy is coming for you. This was more of a St. Bartholomew's Day massacre type of deal. The nazis were well organized bunch of thugs while the jews in question were just regular citizens. Short of a personal Holtzman shield, I can't think of a thing that would save them.

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Originally Posted by JonyRR

I will never, ever, ever give up my RIGHT to defend and protect myself. Something most Europeans have no idea about.

You have some nerve mister... Go back to school:
Yugoslav Partisans
also, please pay attention to subsections: Formation and early rebellion, and Croatian Partisans. And that was just one tiny part of the Europe.

What you call right to defend yourself sounds to me like paranoid delusions about your own government. If you care to change how your government treats you, do it properly. Or maybe the American democracy isn't so robust a system after all?

Fenring · 07-22-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenixtexoma

Read some history, folks. It was Stalin's Bolshevik Jews coming for the Germans after they had murdered 20 million (or more, some accounts make it closer to 50 million) Russians and were promising the same for Germany. Regardless of what you think about the Nazis, there was a reason the Germans were rounding up Bolsheviks -- like Anne Frank's communist parents. If the communists had won, it would have been the German people in concentration camps.

What the frak!? There's no dispute that Stalin was a down right sodding bastard who had more of his countrymen murdered after the war then were killed by Germans in WWII, but the rest is just pure hogwash.

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

Fenring: rule #1 when on a forum with Americans: never discuss history as theirs rarely matches reality or fact and often gets changed to fit their purpose or ideas of the moment.

No offense to anyone, and you are a great people but more often than not your sense of history is completely wacked.

PFFOG · 07-23-2010, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by throttlemeister

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No offense to anyone, and you are a great people but more often than not your sense of history is completely wacked.

I think the aboriginal people that we slaughtered and put on reservations would agree, along with the Mexicans that owned most of the SW US, where we are now trying to keep them out of, and many others over the years.

Recently the Texas state school board has tried to have references to slavery removed from text books, maybe we should just annex them back to Mexico

Guest24 · 05:14 AM

Richard, I don't think we, in the USA, have a corner on the market. The Spanish conquest of Central and South America are excellent examples. So you are saying that the USA took land away from the government that took it away from the Anasazi is the bad guy. We era when we look back on history using todays knowledge. I believe that the USA learned a powerful lesson from the "Manifest Destiny" days and has become a bastion of freedom because of it. I will not whip myself in the here and now over historical fact; but, I will as the White House recently said use them as teachable moments.

BTW, I is my understanding that Native Americans never understood the concept of land ownership. That was imported to this land much like the common cold was to Hawaii--on a ship.

PFFOG · 07-23-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nail24

Richard, I don't think we, in the USA, have a corner on the market. .............

I agree entirely, all history turns to propaganda, to make the people involved feel better about what was done, both to, and for them. There is always more to stories than we know, even in present day, behind closed door brokered solutions that can, and do, affect the trajectory of events worldwide, like the proverbial wind from a butterfly's wings .

Guest24 · 07-23-2010, 05:35 AM

Great word picture, Richard. BTW I'm considering tagging along with the "Savannah Mofia" to the finger lakes rally. It's not firm yet because I have to attend a good friend's son's wedding the week prior. I'm not a big fan of high seed runs on the BRP due to the feds doing the law enforcement. But, would like to run some Penn back roads.

phoenixtexoma · 07-23-2010, 06:46 AM

Regarding history, the Aztecs and Incas were slaughtering people by the 10s of thousands, many by cutting the hearts out of living victims. Mexico claims we "stole" land from them, but the plains Indians (I have Comanche ancestry) prevented Mexican settlement of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona for 250 years. If anything, the Comanche and Kiowa owned northern Mexico by force of arms for several centuries.

In summation, the historical narrative is written by the winners. The law is written by the winners. Morality is determined by the winners. For example, if we had lost WW2, Americans would have legitimately been tried as war criminals just like the Nazis were at Nuremberg -- think the firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo and the atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Gen. Curtis LeMay said so himself after the war ended.

Guest24 · 07-23-2010, 09:29 AM

That's why I said we can only hope that mankind learns from history no mater who does the writing. It's all perspective my pelican friend. It's why I ride a BMW vice a Harley-Davidson.