Why I don't Fly, The List Keeps Growing...
 

The TSA can do whatever it wants to you and is immune from liability.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tsa-screeners-win-immunity-flier-abuse-claims-u-150740124.html

People who fly frequently likely have numbness when it comes to human respect and decency.

well that sucks.

and too bad most of the cool foreign countries to visit are on the other end of a plane ride.

Check in to going by boat, it is what I do.

Either take a cruise ship when it is repositioning, or go by freighter.

I fly frequently and never have an issue. But I'm also aware of the rules, respect the rules, don't consider myself to be above the rules, and treat TSA and police with respect even if they are grumpy. Most of these cases are people behaving badly who want to blame someone else. Typically there's plenty of blame on both sides, because God knows the TSA isn't perfect.

Last month the TSA guy at John Wayne airport said I didn't have to take my shoes to go through the scanner.

A few days later in Albuquerque I was severely scolded for not taking my shoes off before going through the scanner.
Resulted in taking me out of line for a full wand and pat down.

I'm thinking they make this crap up as they go along.

If man were meant to fly ----- he would have wings.....

Did you receive a free TSA Precheck upgrade at John Wayne but not at Albuquerque? That's what it sounds like.

Yes, that's zackly what happened.

But i didn't/don't know what that means.

Like Matt, I fly what I would consider a far amount (have 130,000 miles so far this year) and I have never had a problem with the TSA.

Understand the rules and follow them, it is not really that hard really.

I work with folks that have taken illegal items through security a few times by accident and the TSA has been pretty fair to work with resolving what happened.

TSA Is a bloated, non functioning make work department that has yet to successfully protect anyone from anything, with poor hiring practices, terrible training and waaaaay too much authority. Shielded by law from having to produce any figures regarding how effective they may be, the only figure you can get is that 900+ officers have been arrested for theft since its inception.
A decision like this hurts all the more when you know enough about how airports operate to realize that all that front line security is just theater...nothing effective about it. A determined individual can get anything they like on board a flight with minimal effort. I have been called out to the gate five times this year alone to remove a razor blade from a flight that a passenger located when boarding. These are items workers leave behind by accident. The whole of passenger screening is to make the public feel there is a layer of safety to air travel and really nothing else.

Meet your TSA agents Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd:


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they do not function as "investigative or law enforcement officers."


So... assuming you had a few hundred dollars to drop on a flight you won't be able to get on (my bet) what exactly would be the issue of showing up, getting frisked, and then putting a beat down on the TSA droid when he/she "touched you inappropraitely" ? Of course, when the real LE gets there, you be polite and professional...

What exactly could you end up being charged with? It has been ruled that they are neither investigative nor LE. So what standing do they have?

I understand they can refuse to allow you to board... An assault charge would be easy to get out of, since self defense when sexually assaulted is accepted....

Any of our recent retirees have a few days to kill and a good friend who is a good lawyer so it won't cost you a few thou in legal fees? :D

I nominate Dueller....it'll be one helluva story too :)

I fly all of the time with no problem. There are signs everywhere that tell you what you need to do. Simply do as they direct and you will have no problems. If you don't like to take your computer out of your bag, empty your pockets and take off jewelry, shoes and belt, go with TSA Pre. It is very cheap...and free for military. That is what i do. Takes me seconds to get through security (just went through the TSA-Pre line at Albuquerque with a wife and small dog last Saturday)..only had to take the dog out of the bag so it would not be x-rayed. Of course I already knew to do that. Less than 5 minutes start to finish. No one touched me, my spouse , my things or even even my dog.

TSA pays almost nothing (about like WalMart) yet they have to wear crappy uniforms and be polite anyways. The bear the daily brunt of great distain and poor treatment...usually underserved. They are just following the rules they are provided as best they can.

Their record is perfect since inception. Pretty hard to beat.

Of course you cannot sue them for false arrest, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution" as they do not have the power to do any of these things. Don't want to be screened, don't fly. Simple as that.

I'm a flight crew member and don't even have to go through normal security screening at most airports but I got randomly pulled out of line last week for a pat down etc.. And you know what? No issues or problems.. They went through my bag and patted me down etc, but I did what they said and everything went smoothly. Flying is a privilege, not a right.. I'd happily be ok with more "invasive" searches, or heck, have everyone go through the screeners naked if thats what it takes to be safe!

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Look at all the crap that your fellow passengers tried to bring on board last week...and yet we complain about the TSA folks. It is like many of the "outrages" we see these days. Don't act like an idiot and you will likely not be treated like one.
https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2018/07/03/tsa-week-review-june-18th-24th

Or they need to work.

Are you the dude who shows us how to put on a seat belt?
I kid. :D

If they are not Investigative or Law Enforcement officers, that should mean they lack the power to arrest.

I would like to see N.Y. and revisit Boston, D.C., and a bunch of other east coast sites. I know many of you are fans of long road trips... as for me I won't burn 4 or 6 days of vacation driving coast to coast.

As other frequent flyers have said, if you play by the rules it is easy peasy. Are some of the rules silly and or stupid? Yes, but that is life.

My issue is that "the rules" of flying violate my civil rights (I can be searched without a warrant, I am denied due process, as examples) and I have no recourse when they are abused. I wonder why anyone voluntarily puts themselves in that situation.

FlyClear - The Registered Traveler Pilot Program
Limited availability but if you fly from any one of the listed airports, its worth every penny. Left SFO the other day, the pre-check line was 30min at term 2. Finger print scan, front of the line 5 min tops through the check point.

Flying isn’t a right, it’s a privilege. Don’t like the rules? Don’t fly. It’s pretty simple. Most of the examples of “abuse” on this thread are actually ignorance.

That is fuched up thinking. Wow! You should not own guns. Unabomber 2, coming soon.

I haven't flown in decades. For me, it's about having no trust.

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Nope. Nothing about TSA agents. I guess it's all good.

I have flown hundreds, if not thousands, of times over about a 50 year span. I've never had an issue, I couldn't care less about what rights I do or don't have, it's the safest way to get from point A to point B and usually worth every penny.

Those of you that don't like to fly, by all means stay home. More armrest room for me...

Count me as another one who flies regularly and has never had an issue w TSA. What's the big deal about going through a metal detector and emptying your pockets before entering the part of the airport w the gates?

Sure, I miss the "good old days" when the whole family was waiting at the gate for you when you stepped off a plane but come on, it's not 1987 anymore. Too bad. I find flying in general to be not bad at all. You don't get the extras on some flights for free anymore but it's the only way to get around the country or the world quickly. I take road trips as well but the time difference is massive.

We fly fairly often and I accept that the TSA gauntlet is just one layer we must endure that keeps a flight safer. Agents are low paid govt employees so not the most effective, but it is better than nothing. I have waited in long lines and had my backpack reinspected because it is usually full of camera gear, but the deed gets done, I make my flight, and no one was strip searched in the process. Plenty of stuff ruffles my feathers worse than the TSA.

I'll take that deal. Very grateful to have a life situation where there is nowhere I need or want to be badly enough to encase myself in an aluminum tube with hundreds of strangers and be hurtled through space.

this times a billion!! some TSA have an issue with chapstik in my pocket some don't... its on me to navigate the crazy.

For $80 (good for 5years) you can bypass the majority of this stuff. Precheck lines that I saw in June (took 4 flight) were all vastly smaller than the regular security line.

I never go through the scanners and I never get patted down. Without fail, it's a stroll through the metal detector, then off to grab my bags from the xray line.

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I haven't been on a plane since Nov 2007. I hate flying, but will have to later this year. I told the gf I'll bring her back from Korea after her surgery. Dreading it.

Just take the train.

So Ayles, TSA Precheck is only $80 for 5 years?

I checked:

85$ (cheap)

background check

finger printing --Land of the free Home of the brave

https://www.tsa.gov/precheck