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pwd72s 11-02-2018 08:27 AM

Why the excitement? Let's see, a car that many can't buy because of price. Even if the price didn't matter, you still couldn't buy unless a member of the connected elite?

Yawn...

Tervuren 11-02-2018 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 10237030)
I was going to post pics of it way back after Rennsport but figured you guys all knew about it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541169193.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541169193.jpg

Wow, so different in the flesh, and with that paint scheme.

I'd pass on that exact car.

Unless it were free.

wdfifteen 11-02-2018 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10236854)
Which end is the front?

This stuff gets to be ridiculous...over blown and over wrought.

The charm of the original Speedster was its simplicty..a lithe little car that u could whip around.

+1
The red one looks like a tank. Not a fan.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541176897.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541176897.jpg

kach22i 11-02-2018 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10237155)
Wow, so different in the flesh, and with that paint scheme.

I'd pass on that exact car.

Unless it were free.

Please note that you are not seeing the car "in the flesh" in Scott's fish-eye lens photos.

Remember how tadpole-ish bulbous roof hump the Cayman looked in early car show photos taken by the public?

In the flesh viewing of the Cayman shows one just how well balanced it is.

The photos do not do justice.

Considering how few of these new Speedster will be built, I will have to reserve final judgment until I see it in person.

Until then, I think they did a fine job considering the challenge of base car choice.

Tervuren 11-02-2018 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10237164)
+1
The red one looks like a tank. Not a fan.

I found the 991 to be a fantastic GT when I got to take one home for two days from winning a contest.

Very much liked it.

These new 911's are like trying to sell a ski-boat to someone that wants a canoe.

No matter how nice of a ski-boat it is, it still isn't a canoe.

I will not put the car down, it is fantastic. I really loved it.

But it also isn't my 944 or Corvette.

kach22i 11-02-2018 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10237164)

I think that we must remember that the original was often remarked to resemble an upside down bathtub and not much of a performer compared to a real man's car of the day.

https://www.oldtownhome.com/2014/11/24/Up-Up-and-Away---Moving-a-350lb-Clawfoot-Tub-Upstairs/
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8594/...9b212647_b.jpg

I see what you guys are seeing, but also know a few photos (well taken or not) don't tell the whole story.

Wait and see is all I'm saying.

Top up - on.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/spyshots-2019-porsche-911-speedster-looks-like-a-gt3-cabriolet-manual-rumored-124938.html#
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541178090.jpg

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-911-speedster-concept-world-premiere-70-years-sportscar-celebrations-road-ready-study-15603.html
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541178235.jpg

masraum 11-02-2018 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10236926)
Nailed it.

Otherwise it's a cool looking car. I wonder how a center fill fuel tank will work for a street car? Sure seems like it would be hard to avoid dripping fuel onto the hood.

...or dragging the hose across the hood/fender. Yeah, cool looking option, but not the best for practicality. But then who buys that car to be practical.

wdfifteen 11-02-2018 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 10237175)
I think that we must remember that the original was often remarked to resemble an upside down bathtub and not much of a performer compared to a real man's car of the day.

It wasn't everyone's cup of tea. Still isn't. In 1956 it WAS quite a performer.

masraum 11-02-2018 09:03 AM

I think it's going to look good in person, but I'll wait and see. I suspect I'll see one around here eventually.

Yes, Paul, we all know it's not a mustang. Don't worry, I'll stay off your lawn, too. ;) :D

kach22i 11-02-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10237184)
It wasn't everyone's cup of tea. Still isn't. In 1956 it WAS quite a performer.

I understand that, but the American tastes have always run large.

The Hudson Hornet was the fastest American car of its day
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1116282_the-hudson-hornet-was-the-fastest-american-car-of-its-day

I remember the stigma the first generation Mustang faced as a "little car".

Put the same 289/302 engine in a car 2-inches wider (1967-68) and now it was a real man's car and not some secetary's car.

I have to say that the two tone silver/gray paint job is a total fail.

The Porsche 818 barely pulled off a similar scheme a few years ago, very hard to do as it breaks up the form too much.

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/porsche-911-speedster-concept-2799967/
https://robbreportedit.files.wordpre...r-5.jpg?w=1024

EDIT:

Related to the little car syndrome.

James Dean - Fatal Porsche 550 Spyder crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN3PZf3YlkI
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZN3PZf3YlkI" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

pwd72s 11-02-2018 09:12 AM

Keep in mind..the original speedster was a stripper. The entry level car. Didn't even have wind up windows. Add a roll bar, join the SCCA, go racing.

The new one? Well, P.T. Barnum comes to mind.

scottmandue 11-02-2018 09:41 AM

I'm not a gambling man...

But maybe I will start buying lotto tickets :D

Yeah, yeah, yeah... couldn't buy one if I wanted to... but I can dream!

In reality for that $$ I could probably get two or three bad azz cars and still put money in the bank.

wdfifteen 11-02-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 10237196)
I understand that, but the American tastes have always run large.

The Speedster was designed for the American market. Max Hoffman, the Porsche importer, specified what his US buyers wanted, Porsche built a car to fit the market.

wdfifteen 11-02-2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10237201)
Keep in mind..the original speedster was a stripper. The entry level car. Didn't even have wind up windows. Add a roll bar, join the SCCA, go racing.

Three bolts hold the windshield on. One guy can take it off in 5 minutes. No insulation, no padded top. Some Speedsters were entry level, depended on the engine in it. I don't think Porsches 4-cam engines could be considered "entry level."

Neilk 11-02-2018 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10237151)
Why the excitement? Let's see, a car that many can't buy because of price. Even if the price didn't matter, you still couldn't buy unless a member of the connected elite?

Yawn...

Agreed. Tired of the "exclusive" club path Porsche is taking.

masraum 11-02-2018 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Neilk (Post 10237255)
Agreed. Tired of the "exclusive" club path Porsche is taking.

But what else are you going to do with a really expensive car?

scottmandue 11-02-2018 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Neilk (Post 10237255)
Agreed. Tired of the "exclusive" club path Porsche is taking.

It is just the new trend in each brand having a "flagship" model.
Ford had the GT40, Dodge the Viper, Acrua the NSX, Lexus the LFA, and so on

Craig T 11-02-2018 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Neilk (Post 10237255)
Agreed. Tired of the "exclusive" club path Porsche is taking.

Come on guys, let's be honest. The real reason we don't like the Exclusive Club path Porsche is taking with some limited addition cars is that we can't afford the membership. If we were financially successful (aka "Rich") enough to afford to be in the Club, we'd all be in line at the dealership with our deposits.

Jealousy is a dishonest emotion.

wdfifteen 11-02-2018 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 10237267)
But what else are you going to do with a really expensive car?

Don’t invoke the name “Speedster” for it for one thing. One would think a Porsche with the Speedster name would have something in common with the original Porsche Speedster (besides an apparent lack of headroom).
ie:
Lightest weight, least expensive car in the line
Built primarily for motor sports
Uncomfortable
Quirky
Fairly useless top
Bucket seats made out of real buckets
Etc.

onewhippedpuppy 11-02-2018 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig T (Post 10237290)
Come on guys, let's be honest. The real reason we don't like the Exclusive Club path Porsche is taking with some limited addition cars is that we can't afford the membership. If we were financially successful (aka "Rich") enough to afford to be in the Club, we'd all be in line at the dealership with our deposits.

Jealousy is a dishonest emotion.

You guys can all send me some money and we'll find out!:D

I do have to say that one of the reasons I liked Porsche was their reputation as a giant killer. The plucky little independent German automaker that managed to consistently take down racing giants. Little cars with small displacement engines that won races by being lightweight, well engineered, and reliable. Their cars weren't cheap, but by the standards of the day, you also didn't have to be rich to afford one either. People bought Porsches to drive and enjoy, rain or shine. None of that applies to today's Porsche, and it's also probably why their new cars don't really appeal to me. I'm sure becoming a German Ferrari is great for the profit margins, but it's also not a club that I care to associate with.


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