Has anyone in construction heard of a “shiner”

[A930Rocket]

I’ve been building homes for 27 years in three states, but am in a new county. During the framing inspection, the inspector wanted the nails (they call them “shiners”) that missed a stud removed, so the insulation guys don’t hurt themselves.

While I’m sure the insulators would appreciate it, I’ve never heard or had to cut off/pull the “shiners” out.

I’m not seeing it in the code book.

Anyone ever heard of this?

[Jims5543]

In Surveying we call a shiner a tin or metal disk set with a nail in concrete or in pavement.

https://www.baselineequipment.com/seco-shiners-raised-or-flat-10lb-bag-option

I have never heard of a nail missing a stud referred to as a shiner. It may be some of his own slang.

[legion]

I think you're just dealing with an inspector who decided that code is what his OCD says it is.

[TimT]

but am in a new county

That is probably part of your answer... do not confront the inspector..

Next time you are at a supply house... ask some of the other contractors about this issue

Maybe just hazing..

[look 171]

Originally Posted by TimT

That is probably part of your answer... do not confront the inspector..

Next time you are at a supply house... ask some of the other contractors about this issue

Maybe just hazing..

Another butt head behind a badge. I have never heard such thing, maybe it is in the code book, who knows? total BS

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

Appalling what passes for lumber these days.
No, never heard it called a shiner, but I knew of a GC who did that to a sub once.

[red-beard]

I looked at a house around 1990 in Massachusetts. One closet was so full of protruding nails I thought it very unsafe.

The house was really poorly designed, done by an engineer at GE in Pittsfield. Passive solar design, with only wood stove for backup. The "children's" rooms were in the basement and were about 8' x 10',no windows, with an unprotected woodstove outside the door. Master suite was on the second floor. Really poorly laid out.

[URY914]

I've heard it called something else but can't remember the term. And the inspector told us to remove them.

[A930Rocket]

It seems to be local knowledge within the building department. They pass down stupid **** to the new guys without any basis for it.

I’ve had to correct a few items with the head of the building department.

1- the inspector wanted the ruler for blown insulation installed at batt insulation. There wasn’t even drywall installed, let alone blown insulation. She failed my batt insulation because of it.

2- the inspector wanted nail guards that extended below the double top plate by 1-1/2”. That’s for HVAC and plumbing. She fails me.

3- the inspector wanted the duct work to the fart fan mechanicaly fastened. The screw would tear the duct. The approved tape is all it needs. She failed me.

4- the inspector checks the sheathing by walking the interior looking for nails that missed the stud. WTF? She failed me.

5- the inspector checks the window flange nailing with the tape flashing installed. WTF? She failed me.

I have to say, it’s the two female inspectors that cause the most problems. Especially one. She has a chip on her shoulder and is a bytch to everyone. Trying to prove herself I guess.

[BeyGon]

My dad was a carpenter from the mid west, I worked for him summers while in high school, he called them shiners. I would never have thought of it until now.

[craigster59]

I used to build beach houses in Oxnard in the early 80's. We always called them a "shiner" and they were "No bueno" and you yanked them out with your "cat's paw" (looked like a deer hoof to me).

Two strikes with a 24oz framing hammer to drive a 16 penny nail, any more than that and you were a woos.

[Evans, Marv]

Yep, there were a few "shiners" visible through the roof sheeting that missed the trusses on my house. The inspector pointed to them & said to get rid of those "shiners." We ignored it & he never said any more about them.

[dad911]

If he had half a brain he would realize it would be more important to make sure the missed nails in the sheathing have nails nearby that hit the stud.

Never had that happen in NJ, over hundreds of homes. But I had an inspector make us get a letter from architect because we used larger rafters than required on a porch (2x8 instead of 2x6)

[chapo]

Call them shiners and the inspector would never see them on my projects because we would pull them anyway. Sloppy not to.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by dad911

If he had half a brain he would realize it would be more important to make sure the missed nails in the sheathing have nails nearby that hit the stud.

Never had that happen in NJ, over hundreds of homes. But I had an inspector make us get a letter from architect because we used larger rafters than required on a porch (2x8 instead of 2x6)

Dad was stretching carpet in a new house and he could not get the carpet to stretch and the stretcher didn't seem to be working. It ended up he was moving the outside wall instead of the carpet. That was a mess to fix on a finished house.

[kach22i]

New term to me, but it sort of fits the situation.

[Dantilla]

When installing the subfloor, a "shiner" next to a floor joist is what causes floor squeaks.
The nail moves slightly up and down, rubbing against the joist when stepped on.

[john70t]

I don't like the toenail pic above.
It just split the connection end of that 2x4 into 1/3rds, and isn't grabbing anything.
A long block below that would give it more strength so it sits on something solid.

You could use an angle grinder and cuts the nail ends off. That works pretty fast.

[nota]

my roof currently is 1/2 plywood with tar-paper then shingles nailed on
the inside side looks like a porcupine with all the shingle nails sticking thru

that is a major reason I am going to 3 layers of plywood 1 1/2 '' thick and a metal roof
wish I could get away with no nails in the plywood only screws that do not penetrate
and perforate the plywood so IT LEAKS

[MikeSid]

I've always called them shiners.

Around here, the "okay to cover" inspection is concerned with making sure the sheathing nailing pattern is up to code. If the nail doesn't sink into the framing, it's not doing anything. So this particular inspector was probably seeing enough shiners, that rather than check each one to make sure it had a well sunk nail next to it, he required that the shiners be removed so he could more easily see if you had sheathing nails every 8 inches on each stud.

If it was only a couple shiners, then it's easy to remove and you wouldn't be complaining. If there's a lot of them, the inspector was probably right that the sheathing nailing was likely insufficiently executed.