I've traveled 65 miles to help someone adjust the valves on their new to them 911.
Offered my garage to another to change his CV joints.

I have adjusted the shift links on a few guys cars in San Diego. I ran a transmission rebuild clinic where the people brought Pizza and Beer. The 914 guys are much more community oriented.

I think we even re-sealed Mike Lesniaks's valve covers while driving through Mexico!

This thread reminds me of my question about why no Panamera forum here, the main posts were "nobody works on a Panamera"

Well I did, I would have loved help, but I also wanted to figure things out for myself.

If I had the time I would help a fellow enthusiast, just like I do with my neighbours all the time.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1542070278.jpg

You and sugar, two peas in a pod! I’m not shocked.

I know Pmax, “that’s mean!”

Tim

I'd give ya the shirt off my back for pizza & beer....but you can't buy my shirt for $500 .. I'd even offer to help fint....if it weren't for politics :). Bob & Rknees offer to help....wow :)
Cool thread...it ain't about the pizza Sugar....it's about the BEER :)

6hrs is 400 miles or so .... in one day... to work on someone's car....

Even if the enthusiast's OK and game, the wife (or hubby ... ) will surely veto and call crazy or suspect worse ;)

As with JB, one hour tops.

See above.

not in a strong, trusting, respectful relationship necessarily. not that im capable of one of those having never been married and in my early 50's, but that's not my point. or a marriage that allows you to wear the pants, but she's picking the color and cut of the cuff cause she's the shot caller. silly max...:rolleyes:

Dude,

"Honey, I'll be driving to Tahoe today to spend a few hours with someone I met on the internet and will be back late in the evening."

is not going to cut it.

This reminds me of the adjustment one makes to buy a 911 in the first place. Or any hard to find car.
You want a Civic? There are 20 for sale within 30 mins. Want an SC? You'll might need to drive 3 hours.

3 hours to go wrench? Seems crazy, BUT....

Get up 6am
Arrive 9am.
Work until 6pm.
Home by 9pm
Just a day, and you got 9 solid hours of work in.

So, just like looking at a car for sale 2 hours away,
Get up 6am
Arrive 8am.
Test drive. Leave at 8:30am
Home by 10:30am.
Day is just beginning.

Get up early, and it's found time,

Some nutz have dropped, some are still waiting for them to and some never will drop.
My wife would be fine with it. Something called trust.
Tim

Bobasaurous K. only wishes he was in the same percentile as me - bisch has a lot of catching up to do!!!

Have you ever considered the possibility that it's you and not us? Is it at least conceivable that your attitude and/or lack or cooperativeness and friendliness discourages volunteers from helping you out, and vice versa?

There are almost 4 pages of responses proving your theorem wrong, yet you continue to dispute the facts. Sometimes in life you need to reach out and ask for help; be humble and admit your ignorance; be open to taking a risk and making new friends; learning new things and making mistakes.

I seem to remember volunteering to help you with something with your car years ago and getting no response. I have traveled hundreds of miles to help other Pelicans. Have you ever volunteered to help someone?

One of my car guy friends has offered multiple times to help me with jobs, as I have offered to help him. Why? We are friends, but we also want to learn from each other. I don't think you want to bother learning. I think you would rather sit at the computer and troll. Criticize. Incite.

You're not a car guy, although you think you are. You're a guy with a car who thinks by owning it it gives you the right to an informed opinion. It doesn't. You don't participate. You don't contribute. You don't add to the hobby. You detract.

Go away. Nobody appreciates your opinion, nor do we want it.

I’ve helped and been helped by lots of people over the last 30 years. No pizza or beer involved.

I taught a good friend I met online how to change the brake pads on his 930. It was all by email. Several years later, he was teaching me to rebuild my 930 engine. Even came from Charlotte to Charleston to wrap it up.

Here’s another one. The day before a DE at Road Atlanta, I had just driven from Charlotte to my friends house in Alpharetta GA. He was in the middle of swapping out an intake gasket on his Mustang due to overheating. We finished about 10 PM and he took it for a quick spin. It overheated...

The only option was pull the heads and replace the gaskets. We dove in and finished at 3 AM. He took it for a spin. It didn’t overheat.

Went to bed at 4 AM and woke up at 6 AM. Drove to the track and had a great day. Both his Mustang and my 930 ran flawlessly.

He would do the same for me. Smartest guy I knew and my best friend. He passed away from cancer 2-1/2 years ago. **** cancer.

The both the generator and the throw out bearing in my 356 got fixed by "stopping by with the car and a 4 pack of really good beer" and "country style breakfast and beer"

By the same token, I've produced a lot of working network set ups and/or system configurations and/or source code for similar payment, perhaps a "here take the wife out" etc.

Now, that's vile.

Relax.

Have participated in several "Tech Sessions" where the group worked on someone's car. And yes, there was pizza and beer. But was what was decided upon for refreshments, the gathering was all about and advertised as a tech session.

I hope you're joking. I've definitely helped a lot of people who were at the opposite end of the spectrum.

you so soft pmax… you so soft.


remember when I was going to look at a jeep in your hood last December and suggested you have me over for a slice of holiday fruitcake & a cup of cider in a market place forum thread? crickets...

I did not want to come to your house for fruitcake, although I was pretty sure it would be on the desert menu. no, I was ultimately going to suggest we meet up for a beer and some wings at the Dublin hooters if you'd only spoke dude...


heck, we even could have taken a photo in front of the red robin so your wife believed you were actually hanging out with a fat dude at a buffet...


silly pmax

James...I don't do green text...I'd even help Sammy....he needs help :). The concept of not "liking" someone due to politics just struck me as funny. This board is loaded with more "givers" than "takers".

There will be NO politics discussed at KEG party functions....can we add that to your platform for president :)?

I bet it was MadCorgi that helped fint ...not really, but I'd bet he would without hesitation ....I would too :)

Nosireeebob! I like Sugarwood.....I wasn't a car guy before Pelican....hadn't even changed oil in decades...didn't have anything but this board to guide the way. I learned a LOT along the journey too...some of it about cars :)

Lotso givers on this BBS. The love used to really come around at Christmas time.
A real gift exchange. It sort of petered out, but it used to be a hoot.

Plus, I can think of lots of instances when the internet hat would be passed for someone in need. (pre kickstarter)
Driving to someone's house to work on a car and socialize (in equal measure) aint nothin'.

And anyone who has ever been part of a race team, even on the periphery, like me, has spent a few all nighters getting a race car or race boat ready to run the next day - for free. It's what you do, simple as that.

You still moving to Auburn?


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I have seen some Norcal engine drop requests but not one lately. I have participated in a couple, one with another dozen helpers, and one just myself and the owner. Beer, coffee, donuts were around. There were a lot of times when local people came to my place to have something done. I'm free to help within reasonable driving distance so that work and the drive happen within the day. More than that, it has to be at my place.

I do it less than I used to but I used to travel all over the place making “Porsche house calls” but mostly helping people who came to my house. Some days the driveway and street would be full of 911 and people working on their cars or helping someone work on theirs. Right now, I’ve got a fried 911 motor on the stand and we’ve been working on it when he’s had time.

I found some pictures from one of my Messin sessions back in 2004:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/163271-barry-bennets-car-update-2.html


Here is a tip if you want people to help you, loan you expensive tools, etc: Put your location in your profile.

They didn't ask me, I asked them if I could help. I had a great day. Made some new friends. When it's a hobby, you can do it for fun and enjoy the ride.

I think the pizza/beer is more of a minor payback for helping a freind in need. I also think that rather than loaning someone a special tool, most guys will accompany the tool to make sure it is used properly, and returned promptly.

Maybe the epitome of what it "was".... the Barry restoration....one of Pelican's finest moment's since I've been here. It's never been about $, pizza, or even beer ;)....for most of us...who "get it"....jmho.

edited: Just reread the Barry update thread.... :).

This reminded me of when I was a teenager racing RC.

Someone had a problem without a spare and someone else that had the spare would be at their table providing it.

I just like tinkering with cars... the pizza and beer is just an added benefit.

Two guys on board helped me out when I had my 911. One guy got word that my welder broke, came by and dropped his off. I think I gave it back 6 months later. The other knew I needed a transmission rebuild and invited me to his house to do a one day synchro replacement (and other stuff). I still talk to these two 15 years later. One all the time and consider him in my best of friends category. They are on the board members. Heck, one just gave (like free) a car.

I've realized there are those that like to help people and those that don't. Some people are so competitive or self centered they can't think of give anyone else any type of support or advantage though they are glad to take. I know the type and avoid the type. Life to short.

When you find good people, hold on to them.

You and I have different definitions of 'vile', Max. This guy contributes nothing to the board or the hobby. Even you and I have something of value to offer from time to time.SmileWavy

But you're probably right. I should just ignore the BS. There's enough of that going around anyway.

Not hardly...But you did offer to help me find some furniture I was looking for...that was made in your area...And have had offers of help from folks on other projects. BTW...Looking for a good chimney guy in VA is anyone knows one (or someone with a bucket truck or 40 ft ladder that is not afraid of heights and wants to make a few bucks.

It is a small community.

Jim Sims (great guy/engineer) actually designed and installed an AC system for my first 911 (his wife helped him with the install)...I was out of the country and could not help at all. Just dropped it off.
The car had never had A/C so it was a big job. He gathered the parts I didn't have, restored the vent system, found a couple of unobtanium parts, etc. Got me down to 32 degrees on a hot summer day. Best system I have ever seen in a 911. I paid for the parts and a couple tools (that I let him keep) for his next job.

I am probably going to visit Rawknees and get him to help me finish the A/C system I am installing now...He just does not know it yet.

I have even had pros (like the guys at SuperTec) help me out with my car back when they were in Costa Mesa. They stayed late one night to help me get back on the road home. Great guys.

Installfest/fender rolling party at my place in the spring. I'll even buy the pizza.

will likely spend some time there to intern with a Porsche motor builder for a while, but will ultimately end up around twain harte. have some great opportunities in TW and simply love the area.

This. I arrived in'03. As Dylan has said, "things have changed".

As to the poster that suggested it was rising values, nah. In the p car world generally that's true, but most of those folks aren't on Pelican...they're on Rennlist:p

I dropped out because I was skunked 2 years in a row.

Many years ago when I purchased my first R53 Mini, I joined a Florida Mini Board. I met a guy named Bill on there, he saw I was going to do my rear sway bar and asked if I could help him with his. I said sure, I was not offered Pizza or Beer. That will be a requirement from now on.

He drove 3 hours to me, at the time I had a friend with a shop and 2 post lift that was empty on weekends, it was out behind his shop under an canopy and I was allowed to use it any time I wanted just had to be off it by Monday morning.

We both went over there and did both our cars on a Saturday morning.

Bill is my good friend to this day, he even came and stayed in my house when he evacuated from Hurricane Irma. We have met up and done Dragon runs in the past and plan on doing another in the next year or two.

I have a post on that same forum, I have some Mini specific tools in my garage and I have a standing offer to any member on there to shoot me a PM and we can meet up on a free weekend and I can help them with their car.

It is fun to meet car people and make friends that way.

Anytime, FintIsStoned! I have the space and I have to the tools (different than "I am a tool", which also applies!).

This shows that you really don't know 911's well. One of the least major things you can do is drop the engine. I do it every time I have more than a couple simple things to do to the motor. Last time I did it alone I think it was on the floor in about an hour. Back in the car that afternoon. that was just for clearance for valve adjustment, and a chance to wash the engine bay.

If I set my garage up through the winter as to not allow the 911 to be stored inside, I will usually pull the motor just so it can store inside. It is a shockingly simple task on a 911.

And I live somewhere the 911 is only good for about 5 months of the year, and I see at least a few air cools on the road ever summer. I also daily drive mine for those 5 months. Mine is a 76 with 237000 miles on the clock.