Pizza, beer, and a bag of dope was needed to assemble my David Haffler amps (2, bridged) and preamp.

After 16 hours of drug induced labor we had a finished product that worked perfectly.

Sorry, not the best choice of words on my part, "heavy handed" is better ?

Yeah, I believe there's enough room in this "car guy" universe for everyone.

Didn’t wade through the pages of the usual pissing match that threads seem to turn into but will provide my story of this scenario playing out.

In Oct of 2010 I pulled my engine to replace the clutch, during disassembly and cleaning I found a couple broken head studs. In Jan of 2011 I reached out to Slow and Rusty here on the board and asked him about locating some cam tools so that I could tear my engine all the way down. He suggested I run down David or Shifter125 at the time, indicating that he may have the tools. I contacted David through the PM function here and he was very kind and offered his tools. Once we met I recognized him from a dyno day at a local shop and we talked at length as he toured me around the facility where he worked. I mentioned that I may need some help getting the cams timed once I was ready to reassemble and inquired if I could pay him to come help, his immediate response was “What kind of beer do you drink?”. Fast forward to June/July of that year and I am in need of assistance. If you have never been to Houston in the summer, working in a non air conditioned garage is similar to working in the boiler room in hell. David brought his dial gauges not 1 but 2 Saturdays in a row to get cylinders on and my cams timed. Truly an unselfish act that I appreciate every time I get in my car. This guy is an engineer with a full schedule but still made time to drive 35 or so miles two weekends in a row to help a stranger w a common interest. So yes these things do happen, there are some fantastic people on this board.

Additionally when I got the engine back in the car I was working some bugs out and had a few weird questions, Chris Carroll at Turbokraft probably spent an hour on the phone w me. I bought a few oil lines from him and I think he may re-bushed my rockers but I was certainly not someone he did a ton of work for, again just a guy helping out.

Keep your faith in humanity, good people still exist, some of them don’t even want pizza and beer........

I should not engage with such a hostile but hilarious tirade, but the above is false.

While I am no tech expert, I certainly contribute when there is an opportunity.

Someone recently needed help fabricating a B&B wrench.
See my response.

When I do a project, I document it for fellow beginners.
How to change the turn signal stalk.
How to test the DME relay

I'm intrigued...what assembly was involved, which speakers...and album, were used to test the system and why weren't we invited :)?

Nah, a mechanic does not charge 8 hours labor for a "minor" job.
Minor would be changing the oil, adjusting fan belt tension, or replacing a fuse.

Sorry Sug, Gordner is correct. Dropping the engine is not a major ordeal.

Then why does it cost $1000 ?

Because it is a Porsche and mystical and people will pay. Why do people pay $6K+ to assemble a 911 engine? Because it is the mystical 911 air cooled boxer engine. Until you pull back the curtain. Now I am not suggesting you yank your engine and tear it down by yourself with out an experienced person to guide you, but it really isn't complicated. Just a trick here and there, put this in place before that, this part goes in this way even though it looks like it should in that way.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1542198438.jpg

My gosh, I have done a lot of free work over the years . Just this past September, on vacation in the outer banks, I replaced all the brake lines, on a good ole redneck boys giant jacked up Tahoe beach crawler for free, in his driveway at a trailer park . There was no pizza involved, they , made hamburgers, steak, and had beer. ( they offered weed too! ) .They invited my whole family over. Super nice people. These guys always help my buddy , who owns property down there, and I wanted to pay it back . Plus, I get bored after a few days of doing nothing .

Paul from Performance Oriented taught me how to tune the webers on my '70 bastard in the parking lot of an extended stay hotel near BWI for a 6 pack and lunch. Showed me what a colortune is and how to use it.

He was in town on unrelated business and had recently done the budget rebuild on them for me via mail. The car is long gone but that was one of the greatest moments of Porsche ownership I experienced and I will never forget it. The passing of hard earned knowledge for nothing more than a polite gesture...it was just awesome.

Oh and I didn't bill a client for preparing their qtly payroll returns when they presented me with a couple twisted teas and a fantastic lunch they had grilled up for their employees. So that was an $80 lunch but well, well worth it.

That is a PERFECT internet image, thank you!

Thanks! I may take you up on that someday. Your work on AC is well regarded...while I am AC-impaired. I prefer electrical problems...as that is my background.

This is a good example to the OP...as Rawnees and I have established a relationship (although combative at times), we still share the love of the marque (and his odd humor). That relationship is solely due to PP...but I would not hesitate to help him if possible in another area.

When my daughter was trying to get into a private medical school, a Pelican (who is now passed...may he RIP) actually contacted the mayor of that city (that he knew socially) to try to influence the school to ensure sure she got a fair review of her situation. The same fellow picked up a lot of the people from the airport in his Porsche at a Pelican meet and ferried them around Vegas. He is certainly missed.

Because mechanics have to eat, have insurance, tools, heat and cool a shop, etc. They also have liability. If they drop your engine on the concrete, they are instantly out thousands. If I come to your house for a drop...you provide all that...including some risk/liability if we break something (or hurt ourselves)...as well as lunch/dinner and possible future return favors.


Other than for social reasons or to learn something...I would rather just pay a good shop (they need to make a living too). I do less and less of my own work myself due to lack of time (and improved financial ability).

The big question here is where do you get beer and pizza for $9 ;):D

Wanna head over to Sugarwood's fer free pizza & beer Bubba? ....awe HELL NO!

When I purchased my Carrera, there was only one local shop that I would have trusted....long ago closed. No one would do better than I...so I do :).

Sugar,
You're doing fine.

He probably missed those useful contributions to the tech forum in the midst of your other long headed ;) threads, you know which ones I'm talking about.

Raw !!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

I think we need to hook up Sugarwood and Trakrat... i bet they would become BFFs.

Yep. Including Sugarwood.

He defends his position and is consistent in his mindset. Makes for good banter.

Of course, he is wrong. He confuses hobbyist human nature with resource constraint and tosses out Venn diagrams like a drunken sailor. However, I digress.

I say let him live.

Whoever said "It's about the beer" is correct!

Bob K. SUX!!! :)


I know, pNutz, ol' Fint has a real flair for the kink!!! :eek:


Speaking of which, yo' Fint, it would be great if you could limit your sleep time to two hours, instead of your usual three, and spend that extra wakefull time designing and building plug-and-play, solid state relays for 911s (mainly the fuel pump relays, but would be useful in other applications as well) . . . the Porsche, "might work . . . for a little while", relays are utter crap (look like their half baked components are soldered together by six year olds). That's one thing that pizzes me off about Porsche; bisches sometimes sell shiit and charge a lot for the privilege of being stranded on the roadside at a moments notice (like the combination overboost switch & air metering arm safety switch relay that lasted less than 300 miles before it went teets up while I was in rush-hour traffic on one of the busy highways here - total shiitslap there!).

Yer Mom likes it.

As much as yer sister?!?!

Duh!

I live in Ohio, Bra.

The OP is totally misreading 'the problem' altogether.

Who would travel great distances and go far out of their way just to learn from another person?
Anyone with a university degree for one.

Who would do the same to give their personal unpaid time and help solve a problem?
Volunteers, enthusiasts, karma collectors and saints.

Well stated.

Who would consistently ask inane, rhetorical questions, sucking the time of the membership here for no valid reason other than to incite emotional response?

That would be a troll.

Pnutz is infatuated with your fat bottomed girl...so you better let him know that you are savin' it for him.

I figure that Brit guy that makes the fancy CDI and electric air conditioning will expand to do make a better relay soon...as he is halfway there...and there is nothing hard about relays.

Besides...I am busy reading Bob K's inane, rhetorical question about inane, rhetorical questions that suck the time of the membership here for no valid reason other than to incite emotional response. Why are so many folks sucking in this thread but no one seems to be getting any satisfaction?

pNutz is not ready for turbo powaaa' - bisch would shat himself, for sure!!! :D

Good point about Jonny and relay development - will keep an eye on him (not like that! :eek:).

As far as the sucking 'v' satisfaction goes, maybe those peeps just need more practice (Akron Ohio style)?!?! :eek:

Spot on..my 911 purchase, and tech experience via this board, etc. was ALL about something "absolutely new" for me...while I was bored at work waiting to "fix" a complex IT infrastructure problem. My high tech career wasn't about the $$ either. Statisfaction.....both provided that....Mick just had issues :)

Nicely said.

For me, the eye opener in this thread was the distances involved are not as tightly bounded as I assumed. My premise of DIY collaboration futility was operating under the assumption of local proximity, like within a 30 minute radius. It did not occur to me that people drive several hours for DIY collaboration. That really does change the viability of such collaboration, particularly when dealing with a very sparsely distributed skill set.