Does this actually exist? pizza and beer usually would get it done here in No cal.

[Tippy]

I daily drove my 87 that's turbocharged for a few months until I was able to get a DD.

Before that, I daily drove a 996.

Didn't Ronin drive his car everyday?

[dwelle]

dudes are getting together all the time for things like this. they're probably too busy working on their cars with their buddies to be posting about it on here!...

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by dwelle

BS. i do, and i am but one of many.

i think you are finding what you are looking for, and receiving what you put out in this world. much of what you hold and post here as fact is quite contrary to what many/most of us experience in the big scary world outside our front doors.

look for something different, you might find it.

if you stay a contrarian whose glass is perpetually half empty, well, more of the same for you i suppose...

Truth.

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

People DO daily drive their cars (I did 70,000 miles in 9 years in mine). People DO figure out which 27mm socket to buy on their own. People DO drop their engines on their own (I do it at least once a year as a matter of maintenance). People DO rebuild their own engines in their garages, and people DO go and spend lots of free time helping others work on their cars.

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Hey that's me you're talking about!!

I didn't know squat about Porsches 4 years ago. I finally got to the point I could afford one, I now have two, and have been learning how to fix and modify it ever since.
AC up-grades, suspension, brakes, camshafts, engine mods, tuning a CIS and more all from advise on this forum. Had a local guy and member here offer to come help pull the engine because he had never worked on a 930 before. I work on the car after work in the evening so I didn't take him up on it. But it happened.

79 #610 Winter Projects. Advise Needed

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

God you annoy me sometimes. You keep saying things like that, and when people virtually LINE UP in your threads to tell you that your mistaken, you sit back, dig in your heels and insist that you are correct, we are all essentially lying to you.

People DO daily drive their cars (I did 70,000 miles in 9 years in mine). People DO figure out which 27mm socket to buy on their own. People DO drop their engines on their own (I do it at least once a year as a matter of maintenance). People DO rebuild their own engines in their garages, and people DO go and spend lots of free time helping others work on their cars.

Despite this, you will fight to your dying day that none of this happens.

It's no wonder that no one offers to drive an hour to help you, and it's no wonder that you would never consider doing that for someone else.

shug needs help, but not necessarily with his car. im quite convinced he does things like this thread here on the PP BBS strictly to illicit responses he can debate for his own entertainment. we are all here to be entertained, but not in such a sick fashion.

when I discussed "vetting" someone I was considering helping out I used the term "basket case". well shug would likely fit that description in our 1st phone conversation on the matter and I would not want much to do with him. with some folks there's just no helping out on any level...


pmax? you just called me a "pioneer"?? maybe I have to change my avatar saying....

[Canada Kev]

Originally Posted by juanbenae

pmax? you just called me a "pioneer"?? maybe I have to change my avatar saying....

And maybe get a Charles Ingalls Little House on the Prairie hat...

[pmax]

Originally Posted by juanbenae

shug needs help, but not necessarily with his car. im quite convinced he does things like this thread here on the PP BBS strictly to illicit responses he can debate for his own entertainment. we are all here to be entertained, but not in such a sick fashion.

when I discussed "vetting" someone I was considering helping out I used the term "basket case". well shug would likely fit that description in our 1st phone conversation on the matter and I would not want much to do with him. with some folks there's just no helping out on any level...

Not getting the hate.

I wouldn't hesitate helping Sugar with his engine drop if he's anywhere close. Having said that, I did mine solo and would suggest he does as well.

pmax? you just called me a "pioneer"?? maybe I have to change my avatar saying....

Wow, that's a long time. Who else is left ?

[mepstein]

The funny thing is that every time I go to help someone out, I get way more in return. I’m not even a fair mechanic. I just offer to lend a hand. The last person I helped out, 6 hour round trip, they told me to tell them what week I wanted for my family and I to stay at their beach house - it’s a nice house! Every time I offer a part for free, I seem to get something better back without asking. Karma’s a ***** :-)

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by pmax

This hits the nail on the head.

From my digging into the past, the forum evolved like this in the decades of its existence ...

Early 2000's - the pioneers

Mid 2000's to early 2010's - when the forum greats thrived and most of those "old timers" here first arrived

Mid 2010's till now - the "modern" era you are in.

Different folks, different strokes.

Even (some of) the same folks from the previous era who are still here have progressed to "different strokes", pardon the overuse of the expression.

I think the increased value of the cars has a lot to do with it. When I first joined the forum the cars were worth much less and it wasn't cost effective to pay a mechanic for simple jobs. With the increased values the "raised pinky" crowd has moved in

[2jmotorsports]

My closest Porsche friend brings his 912 over all the time because I have the facilities and he has the beer. This still happens and everyone wins.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

People DO daily drive their cars (I did 70,000 miles in 9 years in mine).

People DO drop their engines on their own (I do it at least once a year as a matter of maintenance). People DO rebuild their own engines in their garages, and people DO go and spend lots of free time helping others work on their cars.
Despite this, you will fight to your dying day that none of this happens.

It's no wonder that no one offers to drive an hour to help you, and it's no wonder that you would never consider doing that for someone else.

The exception only proves the rule. The fact that you RARELY see a 30 year old aircooled car with 200k miles proves that these are mostly garage trophy cars. The number of Toyotas with 150k on the clock is a dime a dozen. Why? Because DD.

You are not reading what I said. I never said people don't drop engines. I've seen many pics of the guy inside the engine bay. I am saying the number of people going to someone else's house for pizza is very low.

No one has offered to come to my house b/c I've never asked. Any heavy lifting is going to be done by a professional. I don't have the space.

That said, I am the one who offers n00b car friends help with basic DIY stuff many times. At this point, I am more experienced than most people I meet. I am the one who knocks!

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by pmax

This hits the nail on the head.

From my digging into the past, the forum evolved like this in the decades of its existence ...

Early 2000's - the pioneers

Mid 2000's to early 2010's - when the forum greats thrived and most of those "old timers" here first arrived

Mid 2010's till now - the "modern" era you are in.

Different folks, different strokes.

Even (some of) the same folks from the previous era who are still here have progressed to "different strokes", pardon the overuse of the expression.

This makes a lot of sense. I actually outlined a similar premise in this thread a few years back. You will appreciate the sentiment

Has your 911 become a garage trophy that you never drive?

One the rare day I meet an owner of air cooled, if they are new, they are almost always a finance guy who commutes & works long days and barely has time to do an oil change on their own car. And they DIY skill is limited, like mine. They will not be doing engine drops at strangers' houses. As I've said, it's a combination of proximity, skills, and availability.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by mepstein

The last person I helped out, 6 hour round trip,

You deserve a hat tip.
That is truly incredible generosity.
6 hours is unfathomable.
It did not even occur to me this this is even in the realm of reality.
It makes me reevaluate my premise, as it never occurred to me this is a thing.
Can you imagine driving 3 hours to go play tennis with someone, or to jam in a band room?
No, I only consider the immediate local area. You have a hell of an open mind.

I've offered to help lots of non-car friends explore DIY, as I am the "car guy" in my various circles. After my last 3 hobby cars, I now have more experience than almost anyone I know, and I've been urging various friends for years to give it a shot. Most people have been brainwashed into thinking cars are too complex to work on because they are "all computers now", which is a total myth. Start small: brake job, fluid change, brake bleed, headlight bulb change, tire rotation, etc. They can use my garage. I will help. Use anything from my now $5k tool collection. Most people talk, and few gather the courage to learn something new in life.

[KFC911]

I haven't touched my 911 or the tech section in years...haven't read much of this thread. I knew NOTHING about 911s 2 decades ago...found Pelican .

A quick look at my tech section posts tells the story best....I don't have to...lived it.

Sugarwood....your buddy likes disco and races Lincoln Mark IVs...you rock too...but clueless at times too .

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

I do have a modern car,and I love it.
No one DD's their 911.

Just to be clear, I am not asking for someone to come help me with anything. Anything over my head goes to a pro mechanic. I do not have the facility for any major work
I was responding to another thread where a guy was told to provide free pizza in order to magically have people at his doorstep to help his do an engine swap or whatever.
I started this thread b/c I wondered how often it actually happens vs how often it's typed.

Sug, you aren't hearing of "engine drop" parties because it is a relatively easy and quick procedure. As with putting it back in. Anyone with a set of jack stands and floor jack can drop the engine. One guy can do it. But an extra set of hands just makes balancing everything a bit easier. I need help with the electrical system. That's where I would buy the pizza and beer.

After taking Boyt911SC's engine class I can see where if you have all the parts and tools two or three guys with experience could tear an engine down and put it back together in an afternoon. True enthusiasts revel in doing sheit like that. My engine class had six students plus Tony and two who just dropped by. I am comfortable in saying I think If I said I wanted to put an engine together I would have three from the class show up no question to lend a hand. and I can tell you if any one of them posted and I saw it I would be there doing what I could. And I can tell you only one person from my class lives less than an hour from my house. Most are an hour and a half or more away.

[Tervuren]

There are times I've helped people working on cars as an extra hand.

When doing this it is for fun.

I also do not take responsibility when doing it, the owner is in charge of each step and process.

There is a difference between a job and a hobby, for some there aspects of working on cars that they consider fun, continually buying project cars may not be in their budget, but having a small group of enthusiasts that involve other enthusiasts in their work is a win-win situation.

The personalities of both sides have to be in place. Instead of "saving money", both sides need to see it as casual enjoyment.

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by timchar

Sugar, this in fact does happen. Maybe you need to pop the bubble you live in. I know it’s hard for you to imagine anyone would “waste” 8-10 hours of their precious time helping “internet people”.
There is something special you get back from giving! Ever hear the saying the universe gives back what you put into it?
In the last 2 1/2 months I’ve had lumbar spinal fusion surgery and rotator cuff surgery. Rawknee and Bob Kontak both offered to fly across country to Nor Cal to put my new motor in. I know, they must be batchit crazy.
I will get it done with one arm and with the help of some Nor Cal Pelicans.

It’s a pretty special place here.
Tim

tim, im in the south bay and am very busy getting my house ready to sell in order to get the F out of the bay area in march, but if you need a hand and meet my 73 mile radius rule I could prolly make some time to help you out. PM me or email thru pelican to discuss when you are ready.

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[pmax]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

You deserve a hat tip.
That is truly incredible generosity.
6 hours is unfathomable.
It did not even occur to me this this is even in the realm of reality.
It makes me reevaluate my premise, as it never occurred to me this is a thing.
Can you imagine driving 3 hours to go play tennis with someone, or to jam in a band room?
No, I only consider the immediate local area. You have a hell of an open mind.

Yeah, that's kinda incredible.

Turning the tables around, that means the other party agreed to have him travel 6 hours to help them out on whatever the car needs.

I can't imagine imposing that on anyone or any friend for that matter, for anything which is not an emergency of sorts.

Call a local mechanic.

[cabmandone]

I'll tell ya who they are.... for a pizza and beer

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by pmax

Yeah, that's kinda incredible.

Turning the tables around, that means the other party agreed to have him travel 6 hours to help them out on whatever the car needs.

I can't imagine imposing that on anyone or any friend for that matter, for anything which is not an emergency of sorts.

Call a local mechanic.

For some, working on a particular project that appeals to them is like driving six hours to go hang out at a beach.

And they don't even have to buy the parts or the project.