GT2 RS Clubsport - LA Autoshow World Premier

[Dmitry at Pelican Parts]

Porsche has done it again...limited to just 200 units AND it's not street legal!

https://www.porsche.com/international/models/911/911-gt2-rs/911-gt2-rs/safety/clubsport-package/

"The Club Sport Package consists of a roll cage screwed to the bodywork behind the front seats, six-point driver’s seatbelt in red, fire extinguisher and bracket, as well as preparation for the battery master switch. This can be purchased separately from the Porsche Motorsport Department, as can the front cage bracket for motorsport events".

Thoughts?

[tmaull]

Not to be snarky but my thought is that this is a water cooled car in one of the last holdouts of air cooled enthusiasts.

[Neilk]

Hard to keep up with all the "limited" edition Porsches out there, I guess there is one for every price point.

[Sebscst]

So the rollcage is “screwed” not bolted,must be to save weight.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Neilk

Hard to keep up with all the "limited" edition Porsches out there, I guess there is one for every price point.

No, they’re all high six figures.

[Driven97]

The Club Sport Package consists of a roll cage screwed to the bodywork behind the front seats, six-point driver’s seatbelt in red, fire extinguisher and bracket, as well as preparation for the battery master switch.

If that's correct, you're just getting from the factory some simple stuff for the pleasure of not being able to register the car for the road.

[pavulon]

Finally. Am so, so tired of seeing all the pedestrian GT2RS's on every corner around here.

[gtc]

Here's a link to some more info on the car referenced in the image above.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/la-motor-show-2018/porsche-911-gt2-rs-clubsport-track-only-turbo-racecar

The Clubsport package for the GT2RS is not the same as the GT2RS Clubsport model.

[legion]

Are any of the consumer-available cars like this mid-engine like the real 911 race car?

[Ronbo]

I'd rather Porsche build a 911 that's as fun to drive on the street as the old cars used to be.


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[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

I'd rather Porsche build a 911 that's as fun to drive on the street as the old cars used to be.


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But those can be outrun by SUVs and minivans of today. I agree with you. That is why I still have my 85 911. Pure analog driving experience. No ABS, no traction control, no power steering and only 200 HP. Porsche can't sell something like that today.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

I'd rather Porsche build a 911 that's as fun to drive on the street as the old cars used to be.

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Dream on...it's no longer about that with Porsche.

[Speed metal]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

I'd rather Porsche build a 911 that's as fun to drive on the street as the old cars used to be.


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Id agree, but no auto manufacturer does this.. Damned technology! The good thing is they made a quality product that has stood the test of time in the sheer numbers of "old" porsches still available.
Id love one of those GT2RS Clubsports regardless...

[masraum]

Originally Posted by legion

Are any of the consumer-available cars like this mid-engine like the real 911 race car?

I think they call it the Cayman GT4.

Originally Posted by Ronbo

I'd rather Porsche build a 911 that's as fun to drive on the street as the old cars used to be.

And again, that's the Coxster (at least, as close as you can get today).

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Speed metal

Id agree, but no auto manufacturer does this.. Damned technology! The good thing is they made a quality product that has stood the test of time in the sheer numbers of "old" porsches still available.
Id love one of those GT2RS Clubsports regardless...

It’s called the Mazda Miata. Simple, fun, lightweight, reliable, affordable, and fun. Most of what Porsches used to be.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

It’s called the Mazda Miata. Simple, fun, lightweight, reliable, affordable, and fun. Most of what Porsches used to be.

Porsches were never affordable in the way you are describing, at least not the 911. A new 911 in 1970 was $8500+, that was an absolute fortune for a new car when a full-size domestic car was around $3k and economy cars like a VW Beetle were under $2k.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by speeder

Porsches were never affordable in the way you are describing, at least not the 911. A new 911 in 1970 was $8500+, that was an absolute fortune for a new car when a full-size domestic car was around $3k and economy cars like a VW Beetle were under $2k.

Fair enough, but $8,500 in 1970 inflation adjusts to $55,000 today. Which while expensive is not outside the means of many Americans, you can option a 3-series to $50k pretty easily. The 911 price has grown at approximately double the rate of inflation, to a point where they are a luxury status symbol that can't be reasonably afforded by the majority of Americans.

I was actually throwing out the Miata more in terms of the driving experience. They are a car that is about driving first, and everything else is secondary.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Fair enough, but $8,500 in 1970 inflation adjusts to $55,000 today. Which while expensive is not outside the means of many Americans, you can option a 3-series to $50k pretty easily. The 911 price has grown at approximately double the rate of inflation, to a point where they are a luxury status symbol that can't be reasonably afforded by the majority of Americans.

I was actually throwing out the Miata more in terms of the driving experience. They are a car that is about driving first, and everything else is secondary.

I never buy those "adjusted for inflation" comparisons. Using some broad index of inflation doesn't give enough weight to the inflation of really expensive items like vehicles and houses and doesn't factor in average income in relation to those income consuming things. A big house in Beverly Hills costs 50 or 100 times what it did in 1970, not 5 or 6 times. A house in Aspen, Colorado is defintitely 100 times more.

I would argue that you need an income 10x what someone made in 1970 using constant dollars to live the same way and still not be able to buy a house in a big American city like you could in 1970. That said, $8500 was a fortune for a car then. A well-optioned 911S could have been $10k, according to old R&T magazine tests I have. Absolutely no normal working person could afford one, only lawyers and MDs, professional athletes and people who owned very successful businesses.

I would argue that a new 991 @ $100k is more affordable now, just based on the number of people driving them compared to the old days. Not trying to be argumentative as much as to set the record straight wrt the history of Porsche sports cars. Absolutely nothing has changed in their marketing or target audience. Ferry Porsche was once asked by a journalist about their "typical customer." This was in the 1980s. He answered that their typical customer would be 18 years old if they could afford the cars.

[Nickshu]

Originally Posted by Sebscst

So the rollcage is “screwed” not bolted,must be to save weight.

The idea of selling a non-street legal "turnkey race car" that has a bolt in (or screwed in LOL) roll bar is just silly. It should have a proper welded in full cage. Maybe they did that b/c of different cage rules by different racing organizing bodies to make it easier to homologate the car. Not many racing groups will let you race with a bolt in cage.

[kevin993]

It seems like an answer to a question that nobody is asking, but Porsche is somehow able to sell every limited edition unit they make. I'm still struggling to get my brain around the $800K+ 935 "Moby Dick" tribute car, but I'm not the target market. Seems like they're finding ways to amortize motorsport R&D money, extend the life of the 991 and generate any marginal PR value possible. At this point, any revenue they can generate is gravy before everyone starts looking ahead to 992 platform variants and Taycan vacuum cleaners. I also wonder if Porsche has adopted the craft beer marketing approach of continually having something new "on tap."