The issue is quite clear from Shaun's statement in post #64. The key element is the "structure" must be temporary The reason it must be temporary is the structure encroaches in to the setback. It's made further clear by Shaun's photos. The only way he could legal build in the setback would be to have an architect draw plans (because it is a commercial property. Residential he could draw himself). Hire an attorney (again due to commercial property, residential he could represent himself) apply for a variance to be allowed to encroach on the setback and have a hearing. If approved he can build. Short of that you can erect a "temporary" building.

The only question is what does the Municipality consider "temporary"? A prefab, free standing shed is temporary for sure.

Go through all that just to have a temp cover for messing with a car? It is worth it? If city allows temp. structure, I would do just that instead of going paying for lawyers and architects and permit fees just to put up something that's allowed by the city. Just have to build it string enough to withstand wind and snow load.

Any good architect can do this. I don't know how his building is zoned, he describes it as commercial in a mainly residential area.

Look171- that is why he is doing what he is doing so he doesn't have to go through the expense. In my experience that variance would be denied.

Java- Doesn't matter if commercial or residential the issue is the setback. The only difference between commercial and residential is in commercial you can not draw your own plans or represent yourself at the hearing as it involves the public. Residential is private so you can draw your own plans and represent yourself at the hearing.

You are correct.

Out here, there's no way in hell the thing will even make through first one min of plan check due to set back

I need to clarify. Buile the temp. structure and be done with it if city is OK with temp. structure. Make it strong, removable with screws and nuts and take it apart when someone gets their underwear in a bunch. Put it back up later.

I have a solid 4+ months to plan but I think it's going to come down to concrete pilings with J hooks at Jeff suggests. I will most likely use industrial shelving U channel (cheap and tons of it on the market) for the verticals on both sides. I can TIG together a lattice for the roof, probably make/buy use lighting trusses to join the channels. I'm sure an I-beam truss is strong enough but a triangular truss would be nice.


The shelter I made has been in use for 5 years now after the off-the-shelf shelters collapsed. It has held up under 6 feet of snow on it in the valley between the building and roof. I have to get up there and shovel it off, one reason for the long sloping roof.

My sense is I'll do the pilings and the building and then worry about the floor.

I am doing the plating for a second 275 GTB and the owner is an architect. But I honestly don't see the need for one, it's a very simple building and I typically over-engineer things.

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So, WRT the thread, what's the progress?

Project is done. As predicted, I was overthinking. It took three bags of concrete. The most helpful advice was the suggestion to mix by rolling it down the street in a 5-gal bucket. I've mixed concrete by hand. I suggest the bucket method instead.

The entire project was a drain system with only one problem below the slab and a couple of others in the structure. A drain clean guy and a plumber guy were involved, multiple visits, but the cost was contained. I was General Laborer/General Contractor. After years of drain inconveniences, it is nice to now have the system running as designed to the city hookup.

Band aids don't work, I have learned. Do the complete job.