Another child attacks a dog!

[stealthn]

I am all for service dogs, ones trained extensively and docile by nature, calling your pet a service animal is, in my opinion criminal and should be treated as such if the animal gets out of control.

A pit bull really?!

[CurtEgerer]

For $10.25 you too can have a service dog, "protected by Federal Law" that "will allow your service or working dog to enter restaurants, buildings, hospitals, shopping center, hotels, cruise ship, grocery stores and even airplanes as per ADA laws."

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I could offer you the same advice. Not only could I, I am.

They were willing to lie and cheat just so they could break the rules. That is wrong.
Anyone who supports that is WRONG!!!!!!!
It shows a lack of moral character.
Now drive the bus.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I don’t always agree with you, but I totally agree with you. This is like someone parking in the handicap parking spot, it diminishes people who actually NEED a service dog. There are many very valid service dogs and people who depend on them. If you take advantage of that then you are a POS IMHO.

Agree with both of you 1000% !


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[RKDinOKC]

I am training my Golden Retriever to be a Diabetic Alert Dog.
They can notify you of both low and high blood sugar 30 minutes before it shows up on a meter.
I can tell when my sugar starts to get too low, unless I am asleep. So that is what I am training my dog for.
She wakes me up and leads me to my testing meter. She has done this 5 times in the last 3 months.

A trained Diabetic Alert Dog sells for $20,000.

In my research what people call certification is BS. It is just a diploma they give the dog's ower. Even dogs for the blind! The certification is just a document showing your dog has gone thru training. It does not make the dog a support dog.

The actual laws for service animals are very general.
The only Law is that you must tell anyone that asks that you have a problem (hippa laws mean you do not have to say what that problem is) and what that dog does to help you with the problem,. Also, Legally any business owner or whatever can refuse to allow any service dog in their establishment. In fact, if any service dog fails to obey the owner or exhibits poor behavior that animal can be removed.

Real service dogs they work on obedience first before the actual service training. In looking for help training a Diabetic Alert Dog, before any of the trainers will do anything for you and your dog it must pass obedience training. And that includes not just being house broken, but going to the restroom on command, when and where told.

With the addition of support dogs/animals for PTSD sufferers, Diabetic Alert, Severe Anxiety, Epileptics, even Heart Attacks, etc. has opened up a whole new venue for people to abuse the current service animal laws.

My nieces boy is going thru cancer and chemo and all that. He has a support dog. The family tried getting a dog when all the kids were younger, but with their 6 kids they were not able to train the dog and gave it away. Now that they have the support dog for the boy, none of the other kids are allowed to play with it, and he must work on training for at least 30 minutes every day. It is doing great and goes to his treatments with him.


There is NO WAY any sort of support animal should harm anyone no matter what that person does. With the ONLY exception being someone harming the person the support animial is supporting.

[MauleM5-235]

@john70t

2). Mother who pushes her child up to said stranger dog..and then is shocked when something happens to her child.
(Seriously would you let an infant play around running logging equipment?)
Was she fishing for a lawsuit with her kid or what?
Common sense?[/QUOTE]

There is absolutely nothing in the entire thread that would lead to the conclusion that Mother was "fishing for a lawsuit with her kid". Saying such a thing about a parent whose child was seriously injured is unfeeling at best.

Let's try to keep the rational parts of our brain engaged when posting.

[rfuerst911sc]

What did all these people do before the 'emotional support animal' fad took hold a few years ago? I suspect they spent way too much time in off topic forums on the internet

[piscator]

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC

I am training my Golden Retriever to be a Diabetic Alert Dog.
They can notify you of both low and high blood sugar 30 minutes before it shows up on a meter.
I can tell when my sugar starts to get too low, unless I am asleep. So that is what I am training my dog for.
She wakes me up and leads me to my testing meter. She has done this 5 times in the last 3 months.

A trained Diabetic Alert Dog sells for $20,000.

In my research what people call certification is BS. It is just a diploma they give the dog's ower. Even dogs for the blind! The certification is just a document showing your dog has gone thru training. It does not make the dog a support dog.

The actual laws for service animals are very general.
The only Law is that you must tell anyone that asks that you have a problem (hippa laws mean you do not have to say what that problem is) and what that dog does to help you with the problem,. Also, Legally any business owner or whatever can refuse to allow any service dog in their establishment. In fact, if any service dog fails to obey the owner or exhibits poor behavior that animal can be removed.

Real service dogs they work on obedience first before the actual service training. In looking for help training a Diabetic Alert Dog, before any of the trainers will do anything for you and your dog it must pass obedience training. And that includes not just being house broken, but going to the restroom on command, when and where told.

With the addition of support dogs/animals for PTSD sufferers, Diabetic Alert, Severe Anxiety, Epileptics, even Heart Attacks, etc. has opened up a whole new venue for people to abuse the current service animal laws.

My nieces boy is going thru cancer and chemo and all that. He has a support dog. The family tried getting a dog when all the kids were younger, but with their 6 kids they were not able to train the dog and gave it away. Now that they have the support dog for the boy, none of the other kids are allowed to play with it, and he must work on training for at least 30 minutes every day. It is doing great and goes to his treatments with him.


There is NO WAY any sort of support animal should harm anyone no matter what that person does. With the ONLY exception being someone harming the person the support animial is supporting.

Thanks! This is all correct and I'm happy to see it. I've trained and worked with 'therapy dogs' for years and hate to see dog owners abuse the reputations of legitimate working dogs. I saw this coming ten years ago and it makes me sick. What used to be a pretty simple situation will now undergo massive legislative change -- yuck!

Unless something has changed recently, in Connecticut, a service animal is an animal that performs a service for someone with a disability. The statute specifically states that this DOES NOT include 'emotional support.' That's the full extent of the written law.

The only additional mention of service animals in the statutory law, clarifies that it's perfectly legal to train your own service dog.

So the issue of certification gets rather muddy. You can 'certify' the dog yourself or get certifications from a private organizations, some of which do a fine job and others that are just scam operations. Since it's (rightfully) illegal to question someone's disability, it's nearly impossible to identify the scam dog owner -- "my service dog scratches my big toe; but you can't ask me about it."

The therapy dogs I work with are certified by a reputable, national, non-profit, organization. Their training program is quite extensive, but they have no greater legal standing because of that.

I don't know how all this 'emotional support animal' stuff came about, but half dozen years ago I started meeting owners at dog exercise areas who claimed their canines were 'emotional support dogs.' One woman in particular out-rightly stated that she wanted to get her dog a free seat on airlines.

Anyway, it totally disgusts me that people are abusing this situation. More and more, I meet people who claim their animal is a 'service dog' when that's patently untrue. One woman in the post office introduced me to her 'service bull-dog!' Let's get real!

While theoretically any dog can be a service dog, responsible trainers choose breeds that are best suited to the task. The enormous amount of training time invested demands it. Labs and Shepards are often favored because of their temperment and aptitude.

A service dog performs a service and usually they are not to be petted. 'Seeing eye' guide dogs are not overtly friendly because they have a critical task to perform and shouldn't be distracted. 'Therapy dog' is not a legal definition, but is a dog with extensive socialization and obedience training. One of their primary tasks is to BE PETTED! -- in schools, hospitals, nursing homes.

I've volunteered bringing highly trained therapy dogs into all these places. These dogs have been wonderful in giving emotional support to the sick. And a superb learning experience to young people in schools and alternative juvenile incarceration centers.

A dog well trained for this work would NEVER randomly attack anyone.

Oddly, none of the half dozen or so 'emotional support dogs' introduced to me, were qualified to go into a nursing home. None of them qualified as having basic obedience skills. And frankly, the owners didn't qualify either! (My apologies to emo dog owners who don't fit this category).

End of rant, I'm sorry.

Robert

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by piscator

Thanks! This is all correct and I'm happy to see it. I've trained and worked with 'therapy dogs' for years and hate to see dog owners abuse the reputations of legitimate working dogs. I saw this coming ten years ago and it makes me sick. What used to be a pretty simple situation will now undergo massive legislative change -- yuck!

Unless something has changed recently, in Connecticut, a service animal is an animal that performs a service for someone with a disability. The statute specifically states that this DOES NOT include 'emotional support.' That's the full extent of the written law.

The only additional mention of service animals in the statutory law, clarifies that it's perfectly legal to train your own service dog.

So the issue of certification gets rather muddy. You can 'certify' the dog yourself or get certifications from a private organizations, some of which do a fine job and others that are just scam operations. Since it's (rightfully) illegal to question someone's disability, it's nearly impossible to identify the scam dog owner -- "my service dog scratches my big toe; but you can't ask me about it."

The therapy dogs I work with are certified by a reputable, national, non-profit, organization. Their training program is quite extensive, but they have no greater legal standing because of that.

I don't know how all this 'emotional support animal' stuff came about, but half dozen years ago I started meeting owners at dog exercise areas who claimed their canines were 'emotional support dogs.' One woman in particular out-rightly stated that she wanted to get her dog a free seat on airlines.

Anyway, it totally disgusts me that people are abusing this situation. More and more, I meet people who claim their animal is a 'service dog' when that's patently untrue. One woman in the post office introduced me to her 'service bull-dog!' Let's get real!

While theoretically any dog can be a service dog, responsible trainers choose breeds that are best suited to the task. The enormous amount of training time invested demands it. Labs and Shepards are often favored because of their temperment and aptitude.

A service dog performs a service and usually they are not to be petted. 'Seeing eye' guide dogs are not overtly friendly because they have a critical task to perform and shouldn't be distracted. 'Therapy dog' is not a legal definition, but is a dog with extensive socialization and obedience training. One of their primary tasks is to BE PETTED! -- in schools, hospitals, nursing homes.

I've volunteered bringing highly trained therapy dogs into all these places. These dogs have been wonderful in giving emotional support to the sick. And a superb learning experience to young people in schools and alternative juvenile incarceration centers.

A dog well trained for this work would NEVER randomly attack anyone.

Oddly, none of the half dozen or so 'emotional support dogs' introduced to me, were qualified to go into a nursing home. None of them qualified as having basic obedience skills. And frankly, the owners didn't qualify either! (My apologies to emo dog owners who don't fit this category).

End of rant, I'm sorry.

Robert

^^^^^ only thing wrong was the "I'm sorry" part imo...spot on. I am occasionally around a GSD seeing eye dog....when she's NOT working...so I DO get to pet her...we're buddies .


What you do is so cool....

[Por_sha911]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-saves-baby-girl-from-pit-bull-attack

But pits are no more dangerous than any other dog

[Por_sha911]

Now a "Two-fer"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-woman-mauled-death-dog-suffering-seizure

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fatal-kentucky-pit-bull-attack-on-pug-lane-leads-to-womans-arrest-for-murder

[rusnak]

Some idiot who wanted to 'get away' with bringing his dog to the airport got the dog killed. No story here.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by rusnak

Some idiot who wanted to 'get away' with bringing his dog to the airport got the dog killed. No story here.

Pretty much. And while I accept pit bulls, I would never let a child approach a strange one, even with the owner's permission. No common sense there.

[billybek]

My father in law was walking his dogs and one was attacked by a pitty that had escaped from a nearby yard. Good thing the dog has a very thick coat of fur. She only suffered 20 stitches and a ripped ear and lip. She is a tough little dog. My FILs lab did nothing but watch.

Same Pitty almost killed another dog in much the same situation a month or so before. Got out of the owners yard and attacked a dog on a walk with its owner. 70 stitches to close up the ripped up flesh.

[javadog]

Somebody needs to have a nice long chat with that dog’s owner.

[berettafan]

Emotional support animal nonsense needs to stop NOW.

Any parent allowing their child to get up close to a pit is partially at fault.

Any pit owner allowing a child to get near their dog is at fault.

$1m is obscene.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by masraum

I'm perfectly fine with support dogs. I know that there are support animals that can tell an epileptic are about to have a seizure and warn the person so they can get to a safe place.

You can't tell me that there aren't valid emotional support animals.





But, I think they should be trained and treated like a regular support animal for the blind or otherwise handicapped or any other sort of support dog.

I met a guy in the grocery store one day that had a support animal. I feel fairly certain that the guy probably needed the dog and the dog acted, to me, like a seeing-eye dog. Completely uninterested in anything going on around him other than staying with his owner.

What I do think is crap are the people that are abusing the system, and I believe that the woman in the original post is one of them. Basically, bringing a regular old pet along because you're happier when you can bring your pet is BS. I'd like to see a judgement against the lady with the dog (no money will ever come from it, but I'd like it to happen), and a payout from the airline or airport.

I'm not a fan of BS litigation, but for this sort of thing, I don't think anything is going to change until it starts costing people money and/or ending up in court.

This. There should be a certificate required for all non-crated animals when flying.

Our local Menards says no animals, but service dogs are welcome.

There are a lot of service people coming home that do well with "emotional support dogs" and those are usually trained. Those I am all for.

For the rest, if you can't stand to leave your animal home, or if your animal acts up because you leave it home then you should not have animals. Heaven forbid these people raise kids.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by billybek

My father in law was walking his dogs and one was attacked by a pitty that had escaped from a nearby yard. Good thing the dog has a very thick coat of fur. She only suffered 20 stitches and a ripped ear and lip. She is a tough little dog. My FILs lab did nothing but watch.

Same Pitty almost killed another dog in much the same situation a month or so before. Got out of the owners yard and attacked a dog on a walk with its owner. 70 stitches to close up the ripped up flesh.

My brother in law had one come out while doing an inspection. It was the neighbors dog and he told her to put it away. She said he wouldn't hurt anyone and it proceeded to bite him. He clubbed in on the head with his Maglight and killed it. She started ranting and he told her she should have kept it inside and they could call the police and settle it. He lives in CA, she declined that call.