A border discussion outside PARF?

[Tobra]

Not so much the dough as the rules of engagement.

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

It doesn’t seem to address the issue of seizing property from lawful owners. I don’t see how this is a solution to the “urgent crisis” at our borders.

Eminent domain.

It is not.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by URY914

But Uncle Sam doesn't pay enough.

Starting salary $41,187.

[RSBob]

Without reading a single word of this thread, the answer is NO

[fintstone]

I agree. What idiocy. Just the simple wall planned and better enforcement of the law would do wonders.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by RSBob

Without reading a single word of this thread, the answer is NO

You nailed it.

[Bugsinrugs]

This plan is far too forward thinking for our politicians right now. We used to be the leader in alternative energy. Not any more.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs

This plan is far too forward thinking for our politicians right now. We used to be the leader in alternative energy. Not any more.

Do you ever stop to think why alternative energy is referred to as alternative energy?

Alternative energy is a solution that is only the optimal choice in a more limited range of scenarios.

Otherwise it would be mainstream energy.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Do you ever stop to think why alternative energy is referred to as alternative energy?

Alternative energy is a solution that is only the optimal choice in a more limited range of scenarios.

Otherwise it would be mainstream energy.

Sure. Much like cars were an alternative to the horse.
Or, maybe the house was an alternative to the cave.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by URY914

Hiring more border agents sounds easy but it's not. Who in their right mind wants to go down in the middle of nowhere and patrol the border? Any cops in your local department want to move to a **** hole town in the middle of nowhere and raise their family? Ride around all day in jeep looking for people?

There is a butt for every seat.

[Seahawk]

Interesting article:

Ronald Adrian, Regent's Professor at Arizona State University, told Phys.org. "I view this project as a means of creating wealth by turning unused land of little value along the border into valuable land that has power, water access and ultimately agriculture, industry, jobs, workers and communities. With only a wall, you still have unused land of little value."

I have flown the border from Brown Field eart of San Diego to Yuma, then along the border to Fort Fort Huachuca at 100ft agl and below in an air conditioned H-60. Amazing terrain and scenery, completely empty in spots.

I like the idea if three things happen: 1) Get the border sealed now, no more "we'll do it later": I don't care how, btw, more boots on the ground, fences in high crossing areas, no catch and release, etc. 2) Public and private investments: If the idea has merit, public investment will come. 3) Include nuclear power in the equation.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

Sure. Much like cars were an alternative to the horse.
Or, maybe the house was an alternative to the cave.

The bare cave is generally the refuge of those unable to obtain a proper house, or those who refuse to make the work to a more comfortable life.

Although a cave can be furnished out to a house by the enterprising.

I am not sure what exactly to make of your car and horse analogy. The car often had many different forms of power, from being towed up hills by humans pulling on ropes, or through the use of animals.

The horse has a primary advantage of peak power output. It doesn't sustain as well as a human. Take for example galleys, human rowers instead of horse power.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Do you ever stop to think why alternative energy is referred to as alternative energy?

Alternative energy is a solution that is only the optimal choice in a more limited range of scenarios.

Otherwise it would be mainstream energy.

Sometimes it's more fun to ignore facts and details

You are correct tho … the reason it's alternative energy is because it's more expensive and not as efficient than conventional energy.
And usually nowhere near as "clean" as people pretend it is.

[scottmandue]

IMHO we should go high tech, drones, towers with IR cameras, etc. and small camps dotting the boarder with intercept vehicles/helicopters.

Or just build casinos along the boarder

[URY914]

Spread out some fake land mines and put up big signs in Spanish saying

"Land Mines- Proceed At Your Own Risk"

[KFC911]

How 'bout a bamboo border? We'd need someone to plan and implememt it....someone familiar with the area ?

[996AE]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

In my opinion building the wall is similar to needing more gun laws , I don't think we need a wall and I don't think we need more gun laws .......... I can hear blood boiling already We have plenty of immigration laws on the books that have worked fine for a very long time . What has fallen behind is the monitoring of the borders . Everyone is always complaining we need more jobs at home ( rightly so ) well hire more border control agents ! Have more check point stations and use modern technology to help with the monitoring . I have no problem with legal immigration but do have a problem with illegal migration .

I think most rational folks that can think for a minute realize a wall on the entire 2000 mile border to the south isn't going to happen anytime soon . Between imminent domain and lawsuits it will be tied up forever ! So lets get boots on the ground and start correcting the issue . How about deploying some national guard troops in addition to hiring more border patrol agents ? You could probably pay for everything by cutting DOD budget by 5 % . End of rant carry on .

So why does the border patrol boots on the ground agents ask for more wall? Clearly stats support DHS request.

Please tell us why you "feel" the walls dont help? Clearly feelings outweigh the facts from DHS and ICE in your mind.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Sometimes it's more fun to ignore facts and details

You are correct tho … the reason it's alternative energy is because it's more expensive and not as efficient than conventional energy.
And usually nowhere near as "clean" as people pretend it is.

And on that point, there is some two bit operator out west that disagrees;
https://www.**********.com/2018/01/16/xcel-energy-low-bids-for-colorado-electricity/

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

...and small camps dotting the boarder with intercept vehicles/helicopters.

This is part of the problem with the wall.

Unless resources to deal with detected breaches are close by it'd be ineffective.

This makes the eminent domain issue a bigger deal because you still need to supply those camps with infrastructure for the agents to monitor / operate from and to live during their shifts.

You're going to need to build roads, deal with water / sewage, power, trash, refueling depots, maintenance sheds for vehicles, communications.

It's all doable but not as trivial as simply building a wall.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Sometimes it's more fun to ignore facts and details

You are correct tho … the reason it's alternative energy is because it's more expensive and not as efficient than conventional energy.
And usually nowhere near as "clean" as people pretend it is.

Todays conventional energy was none of that in the beginning either.

It takes adoption to improve it.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

It's all doable but not as trivial as simply building a wall.

The DHS and CBP are/have issuing a number of Request for Information/Request for Proposals that reflect your post, nothing to do with a physical wall.

We are bidding on three.