I don't agree with the NRA

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Any gun owner that believes they own a gun to keep the government in check isn't living in reality and should put the video games away. As I said earlier it's a ridiculous dream that you'd stand a chance against a force with superior weapons, the ability to control the air and shut down nearly every line of communication you possess. It's a fantasy to believe the people could rise up and take down an oppressive regime.

Nick, no offense intended, but are you familiar with the American Revolution and how the Bill of Rights came to be included in the Constitution?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Kent State was a bunch of spoiled brat, uber liberal protesters with absolutely no support from patriotic Americans. It has, however, served as a bit of a rallying cry against what can happen when National Guard, or other troops, are illegally deployed against American citizens.

One of those radical kids killed at Kent state was William Schroder ROTC who was walking between classes.

So I think you had better straighten up your act..

[tabs]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Lots of militants (Weathermen, etc.) on campus at the time...violence, bombings, etc. Windows were broken and buildings burned. Firemen were assaulted when trying to put out fires. Tough situation to put kids in.

You do know how to put your foot in you mouth

[KFC911]

Popo or Military....some will "follow orders", others will be insubordinate or border on treason depending upon one's perspective imo. I've seen it first hand from the cops...quite a bit over my lifetime in fact...YMMV.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by fintstone

If you shoot at a person 10 feet away, your bullet just might kill someone 81 yards (or a mile) away. Do you really believe they were shooting/aiming at targets almost a football field away? Doesn't look peaceful to me:

There was no one 10 feet away. Was yesterday make **** up day or something?

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by tabs

One of those radical kids killed at Kent state was William Schroder ROTC who was walking between classes.

And he wasn't even taking part in the protests.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by tabs

You do know how to put your foot in you mouth

Fact do seem to change the narrative. You should try them.

When students start burning down buildings on campus, they need to be stopped. If people get hurt...it is largely on them.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by red-beard

I suggest you look at what happened to the Russians in Afghanistan. And maybe the British. That country sucks. The best you can do there is surround it and keep it from spreading.

I agree the country sucks. But if we'd stop trying to "win the hearts and minds" and just let our military do what they do, we wouldn't be there fighting 18 years later. The Russians failed because we were helping some guy named Bin Laden.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by tabs

One of those radical kids killed at Kent state was William Schroder ROTC who was walking between classes.

So I think you had better straighten up your act..

Reportedly, only 2 of the dead were protesters. Bullets can’t tell the difference and there can be lots of innocent victims when weapons are discharged in crowded areas.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by cabmando

There was no one 10 feet away. Was yesterday make **** up day or something?

I did not say there were (is today make *** up day or something?). There were certainly students a lot closer than your 81 yards. In fact, if you notice from the videos, some NG shot up in the air. Unfortunately, even those bullets come down somewhere.

If there were students who could throw those gas canisters almost 100 yards, they should have been in pro football.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by fintstone

I did not say there were (is today make *** up day or something?). There were certainly students a lot closer than your 81 yards. In fact, if you notice from the videos, some NG shot up in the air. Unfortunately, even those bullets come down somewhere.

If there were students who could throw those gas canisters almost 100 yards, they should have been in pro football.

Originally Posted by fintstone

If you shoot at a person 10 feet away, your bullet just might kill someone 81 yards (or a mile) away. Do you really believe they were shooting/aiming at targets almost a football field away?

Your words, not mine. Maybe today is I forgot what I wrote yesterday day?

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by cabmando;10415196

Any gun owner that believes they own a gun to keep the government in check isn't living in reality and should put the video games away.[/B] As I said earlier it's a ridiculous dream that you'd stand a chance against a force with superior weapons, the ability to control the air and shut down nearly every line of communication you possess. It's a fantasy to believe the people could rise up and take down an oppressive regime.

It is one reason to arm yourself. Yes many will get shot down, that's what can happen when you stand up for your beliefs. The oath I took at 18 yo said in part that I would protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. That oath had no expiration date, neither does my desire to live as a free American should. Would I get shot down? Maybe. Will I stand up? Definitely. People who think as you've stated above can stay home, it's ok, we need people to sweep up when it's all over.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

It is one reason to arm yourself. Yes many will get shot down, that's what can happen when you stand up for your beliefs. The oath I took at 18 yo said in part that I would protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. That oath had no expiration date, neither does my desire to live as a free American should. Would I get shot down? Maybe. Will I stand up? Definitely. People who think as you've stated above can stay home, it's ok, we need people to sweep up when it's all over.

Maybe when you get done sweeping up the rest of those fighting with you, assuming you're still alive, you can stop by and check on me.
You also swore to defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic. Like I have said multiple times, if that day comes the side claiming oppression better be able to make a damn convincing argument or they'd be viewed as a domestic enemy of the state.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by tabs

One of those radical kids killed at Kent state was William Schroder ROTC who was walking between classes.

So I think you had better straighten up your act..

Originally Posted by fintstone

Fact do seem to change the narrative. You should try them.

When students start burning down buildings on campus, they need to be stopped. If people get hurt...it is largely on them.

Originally Posted by fintstone

Reportedly, only 2 of the dead were protesters. Bullets can’t tell the difference and there can be lots of innocent victims when weapons are discharged in crowded areas.

The National Guard did not show up to reign in ROTC kids walking to class. We all know that. They were called upon to quell a violent, destructive protest being staged by a bunch of spoiled brats. It's really too bad that most of the latter got away with it. The fact that innocents were killed by their indiscriminate shooting has, however, served to strengthen our resolve to never let that happen again.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

The National Guard did not show up to reign in ROTC kids walking to class. We all know that. They were called upon to quell a violent, destructive protest being staged by a bunch of spoiled brats. It's really too bad that most of the latter got away with it. The fact that innocents were killed by their indiscriminate shooting has, however, served to strengthen our resolve to never let that happen again.

That sounds like the propaganda the government puts out..

[tabs]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Maybe when you get done sweeping up the rest of those fighting with you, assuming you're still alive, you can stop by and check on me.
You also swore to defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic. Like I have said multiple times, if that day comes the side claiming oppression better be able to make a damn convincing argument or they'd be viewed as a domestic enemy of the state.

What makes you think the war would be between the govt and citizens...

It would be between right and left factions. Maybe within the govt.

Then the govt of the US is likely to collapse when the debt implodes. So there won't be much central control.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by fintstone

I did not say there were (is today make *** up day or something?). There were certainly students a lot closer than your 81 yards. In fact, if you notice from the videos, some NG shot up in the air. Unfortunately, even those bullets come down somewhere.

If there were students who could throw those gas canisters almost 100 yards, they should have been in pro football.

It seems that your head is tilted to the right because all your marbles have slid over to one side. Which means you see things from a slanted view...

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Your words, not mine. Maybe today is I forgot what I wrote yesterday day?

Do you have a reading disability or just dishonest?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by tabs

That sounds like the propaganda the government puts out..

It is the facts. When a building burns on campus, even most hippies are concerned.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by tabs

It seems that your head is tilted to the right because all your marbles have slid over to one side. Which means you see things from a slanted view...

LOL. I was thinking the same about you.