I don't agree with the NRA

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by tabs

I like spanking...especially my own monkey.


And so does Fint.....with all his fanciful renditions of events transpired. Pointless constructions of fairytale castles in the air.

Your remembrances of the era from the perspective of a wealthy hippie living in a liberal part of the country are just probably not the same as that of the poor and working class that had to send their family off to do your fighting for you...or put up with the revolutionary tactics of a bunch of stupid college students as they damaged property and attacked the police, military, etc. IMHO. burning buildings and interfering with firemen trying to put out fires is plenty enough to get one shot. Throwing rocks at police and National Guard, the same. Peaceful protest is one thing. Tactics like those the SDS, weathermen, etc., brought to campus and local towns/cities were just not acceptable.

Come back when you can point out where I am wrong.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I truly don't even consider the US Armed Forces turning against the citizens. It has happened in the past, but I don't think it will ever happen again. General Douglas MacArthur, yea that one, ordered his troops to fire on civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

I do think civil unrest like the Watts riots or the LA riots are more likely, but it is a very remote likelihood around here.

IMHO if there were to be a revolution... the next war is going to be high tech... anyone marching out into the field with soldiers and tanks will be met with explosive drones and having their tech hacked and turned against them. Much like the British who lined up in red coats and were picked off from the forest by the rebels.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

IMHO if there were to be a revolution... the next war is going to be high tech... anyone marching out into the field with soldiers and tanks will be met with explosive drones and having their tech hacked and turned against them. Much like the British who lined up in red coats and were picked off from the forest by the rebels.

I would have never thought of that, but you do paint a rather intriguing, almost amusing picture. The modern day equivalent of the rebel hiding in the bushes and sniping Redcoats with a rifle is going to be some zit-faced kid sitting in his mom's basement hacking Defense Department computers. Hell, they have already done it, on numerous occasions.

I see a potential movie here. Kid sitting in his basement, surrounded by Big Gulp cups and pizza boxes, bring the DOD to its knees...

[tabs]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Your remembrances of the era from the perspective of a wealthy hippie living in a liberal part of the country are just probably not the same as that of the poor and working class that had to send their family off to do your fighting for you...or put up with the revolutionary tactics of a bunch of stupid college students as they damaged property and attacked the police, military, etc. IMHO. burning buildings and interfering with firemen trying to put out fires is plenty enough to get one shot. Throwing rocks at police and National Guard, the same. Peaceful protest is one thing. Tactics like those the SDS, weathermen, etc., brought to campus and local towns/cities were just not acceptable.

Come back when you can point out where I am wrong.

Ronald Reagan was governor of CALIFORNIA... Hawekwa and Murphy were Republican Senators..so much for being a Liberal state..

The tactics of the SDS were peaceful until they felt they were not being listened to by the establishment..The Weathermen were a splinter group of the SDS that became radicalized.

Students across the nation were incensed and were protesting Nixon's expansion of the war by bombing Cambodia. It was only at Kent State and Jackson State that the National Guard and or authorities got trigger happy and fired on their own hook. No order to fire was given at least at Kent State..

You mean it was ignorant rednecks and Negros that were drafted and sent to the Asian War Games to bleed.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I would have never thought of that, but you do paint a rather intriguing, almost amusing picture. The modern day equivalent of the rebel hiding in the bushes and sniping Redcoats with a rifle is going to be some zit-faced kid sitting in his mom's basement hacking Defense Department computers. Hell, they have already done it, on numerous occasions.

I see a potential movie here. Kid sitting in his basement, surrounded by Big Gulp cups and pizza boxes, bring the DOD to its knees...

I think they already made that movie...War Games..wt Mathew Broderick..

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by tabs

I think they already made that movie...War Games..wt Mathew Broderick..

I don't get out much. Hell, if it's not in black and white on the Turner Classic Movie channel, I probably haven't seen it. "Talkies" are pretty cool - have you seen one yet?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I don't get out much. Hell, if it's not in black and white on the Turner Classic Movie channel, I probably haven't seen it. "Talkies" are pretty cool - have you seen one yet?

That movies was made 36 years ago....

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Scanned this thread quickly.

My observation is much of modern gun culture today emulates Hollywood. Guns are man jewelry and play toys to show off, whether it be as a baubles or I'm ready to fight government tyranny. Like-minded tribe affirmation.

I am disappointed in the thrust of gun culture in terms of responsibility. The NRA and vocal gun owners chant "you can't take our guns away" but rarely if ever offer solutions to the problems the proliferation of guns cause in this country. Instead they should be in the forefront suggesting and encouraging common sense legislation from movie ratings to mental illness. Make no mistake, there are no simple and easy solutions, and none of them are panaceas, but there are solutions and dialogue is the only way to find them. It seems that most special interest groups are less about solutions and more about money and power these days. By maintaining, even encouraging divisiveness, these organizations thrive at the expense of the population. That's the United States today.

I also wish people would stop thinking 5 minutes into the future, part of the foundation of our nascent Idiocracy and developing Wall-E world. Common sense solutions will take as much as 50 to 100 years to fully take effect. But like winning the lottery, you can't win if you don't play.

The 2nd Amendment over the government crowd is pretty funny to me. Your ship has sailed, a long long time ago. This country is the proverbial frog in the pot and nothing is going to change that.

I am also amused at how little thought people put into a revolution, how it would happen and who would be on what side. The Military gets paid by the Government. The Government gets paid by Big Business. End of story unless you are going open your checking account. And do you honestly think anyone will fight for a completely unknown future with a decimated Economy? Seriously? If you are a disaffected old guy, sure I can see that, that's about it.

In a revolution, I'll take computer programmers and hackers over a tiny population of some guys with guns. What does the Government do when it finds out who, with pinpoint accuracy, is part of the revolution? It works with Business to shut down your bank accounts, your credit cards, your cell phone, electricity and water is turned off, your car registration is null, the company you work for is notified. how will they find out who you are? Your neighbor, your wife's mother, your dog. Everyone will turn you in.

But you keep fighting. Good for you.

Your brother, sister, parents, second cousin twice removed. All of their assets are frozen. The cell phones turned off and then on again from Government with a message: get your second cousin twice removed to put down his gun and you will be OK. We'll even give you a tax credit. Thanks for your help. G.

There's more but want to get my suspension refresh going.

[Jeff Higgins]

Shaun, the NRA and other gun rights groups have been at the forefront of the battle for your "common sense" gun legislation for decades. No, their version of "common sense" gun legislation does not marry up with the liberals' version. But, unlike the liberals' version, their legislation, where adopted, has proven to be extremely effective in fighting gun crime.

The NRA has pushed tough on crime, tough on criminals gun legislation and has been quite successful in getting much of it passed in the more conservative areas of our country. The more liberal legislatures have fought them tooth and nail, preferring instead to pass "common sense" gun legislation that is tough on law abiding gun owners rather than criminals.

The NRA has been instrumental in lobbying for "three strikes" laws, wherein violent felons are put away for life, with no parole, at their third conviction. The NRA has been successful in their push for mandatory add-on minimum sentencing, again with no parole (or plea bargain) when guns are used in the commission of a crime. The NRA has helped write, and pass, legislation for mandatory minimum sentencing for felons caught in possession of firearms, again with no parole or plea bargain. These are but a few examples - there are many, many forms of tough on criminal legislation that the NRA has been instrumental in both helping to craft, and then to pass into law.

Curiously, many left leaning state legislatures have proven to be quite hostile to these sorts of measures, in spite of their proven effectiveness in reducing violent crime and recidivism. As a matter of fact, one Eastern Seaboard state, when they passed many of these measures and experienced a marked reduction in violent crime in their own state, were sued by neighboring states for having driven their violent criminals across state lines, so that those neighboring states then had to deal with them. Absolutely stunning - rather than get tough on violent criminals themselves, neighboring states sued to make them rescind their laws that had proven so effective.

So, yeah, um... the liberal approach to "common sense" gun law - that of attacking lawful gun owners - has nowhere proven to be the least bit effective in reducing gun crime. The NRA's approach to "common sense" gun law - that of targeting violent offenders - has proven to be successful wherever adopted. The NRA has offered solutions - effective solutions - in spite of what you may think you know.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I am also amused at how little thought people put into a revolution, how it would happen and who would be on what side. The Military gets paid by the Government. The Government gets paid by Big Business. End of story unless you are going open your checking account. And do you honestly think anyone will fight for a completely unknown future with a decimated Economy? Seriously? If you are a disaffected old guy, sure I can see that, that's about it.