Too much money at stake. That seems to be the underlying problem with most sports these days. Pretty much takes the "sport" out of much of it.

Any kind of competition with horses, Steeple, racing, jupings, etc etc is about the ego of the owners or gambling business.. It's never about the horse being put first in the decisions.. So to hell with it..it's a racket.

So it’s like F1 under Bernie Ecclestone then basically.. Ok now I understand- I think..

Anthony Stabile, Horse Racing Radio Network talks about Derby. 10 minutes and gives his expert take



https://cbssportsradio.radio.com/media/audio-channel/anthony-stabile-horse-racing-radio-network

I don't tune in for the pagentry, the back stories, or the after interviews, I tune in to watch a horse race that I have never bet on.

Maybe less sloppy off the rail a bit, very dangerous move, could have been ugly

Pretty cut and dry foul, even with little knowledge of the sport.

Yeah, a horse race up close will take your breath away.

Watching a horse race can be kinda fun. There is a track just 5.5 miles from my house. In the 30+ years they have been open, I have been twice. First time was fun, second time was boring to me.

From what the news is saying about it, it is not uncommon across the country in a horse race for a horse to be disqualified for what happened. Rubbing is not racing with horses evidently.

This is just the first time it has happened in the big race. Lots of money bet and spent. Not one cent from me, so I don't give a flip.

Remington?

As wet as that track was they were lucky nobody fell, some bumping with that many horses would seem possible and even at that, he led wire to wire.

I like golf, the ball goes in the hole, you win.

I've been to a horse track more times than I can remember....haven't seen a horse yet...

'Nawlins Jazz Fest :)

Race was rigged....rigged...I tell ya!

Mr. Ed

I've got a friend who is a horse person. She said the call was 100% legit. It just happened in a very high profile race, but it happens all the time.

Race was rigged....rigged...I tell ya!

Lassie

Another look at the incident:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/horseracing/2019/05/10/kentucky-derby-video-shows-maximum-security-jockey-not-fault-lawyers-say/1166166001/

I like watching dogs and horses when they run for the sheer joy of it. Brings a smile to my face every time. But I don’t care to watch them race.

And this is exactly what I was talking about earlier in that a precedent has now been set wherein all future Derbies will be determined, not by the fastest horse, but by excruciating frame-by-frame analysis for weeks, months, and years by attorneys in a courtroom.

Based on the video above, why wasn't War of Will DQ'd for the obvious cheating out of the gate, or the several other infractions shown? Video also sure seems to clear Maximum Security.

In fact, I'll bet a frame-by-frame analysis of every past Derby would result in multiple DQs for technical infractions ... how long before an enterprising young attorney begins? Better call Saul!

It’s a tough situation.

You obviously have to have some rules, I don’t think a horse race can be a free for all.

But that video sure does seem to clear Maximum Security. Or at least explain why he did what he did, which was try to get away from that other horse who struck him many times and put him in real danger or going down.

In the expert opinion clip the guy says it was a good call because MS clearly interfered the other horses, but that ignores the fact the War of Wills clearly interfered MS first, and many times, which caused MS to have to protect itself.

What a mess for the Derby.

Many horses get run down and passed down the stretch. So we can't say he was the fastest horse since by moving off the rail and causing other horses to back down he created an advantage that is illegal by the rules that have been in place for decades.

Next year, instead of Donna Barton riding up to interview the winner of the Derby, John Morgan is going to ride up with a fistful of business cards :cool:

I think the horse that was said to have been impeded was causing most of his own problems in the entire race.

Except he was forced off the rail by the illegal actions and multiple contacts from War of Wills.

Specifically, this is what they ruled:

“We determined that the 7 horse [Maximum Security] drifted out and impacted the progress of No. 1 [War of Will], in turn interfering with the 18 [Long Range Toddy] and 21 [Bodexpress],” she said. “Those horses were all affected, we thought, by the interference.”

That video seems to prove that is a bad ruling. War of Wills is the one who impeded and interfered.

Clearly, War of Will should be DQ'd if the letter of the rules are being enforced this year. And assume I had $500 on Maximum Security to win. If he is reinstated, do I have a basis for legal action to recover my winnings? And if I won money on Country House, do I have to give it back? :D This is going to get fun.

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Ain't gonna happen.

This is still in the news, I've only now been able to catch up with it.

From what I can tell #1 War of Will screwed over #18 Long Range Toddy (the black horse).

I don't know any of the rules for this, but War of Will should not be rewarded for this in my opinion.

May 10, 2019
Attorney for Maximum Security jockey rebuts Casse: ‘Your horse started all this’
https://www.kentucky.com/sports/horses/kentucky-derby/article230278799.html
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A seven minute length video in the link provides an extensive analysis of the race and the several incidents involved.

In any case the two horses that caught my attention in the initial incident didn't do well at all, everyone moves up one from the list below I guess.

Kentucky Derby Results 2019: Final Race Chart, Finishing Times and Purse
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2834744-kentucky-derby-results-2019-final-race-chart-finishing-times-and-purse
16th or 17th finish when Long Range Toddy was in second place at one time - sports is tough.

Maximum Security gets hit from behind a half dozen times and gets tossed out for what, winning?

I agree.

Certainly was a mess, and maybe still is a mess.

They like that they can make such a large animal their btch. run

You're right. It won't happen voluntarily. The stewards made a hasty, high-pressure decision in 20-minutes that is now being re-evaluated frame-by-frame by all sorts of experts with unlimited time & resources - they have a big advantage over the stewards. This will ultimately be decided by litigation due to the amount of money involved.

So interesting. The Pros I called right after the race are, like me, having a bit of the "prisoner of the moment" regret...there was a lot more bump and grind than I/we thought.

I love the "horse racing sucks for the horses" crowd as they chow down on their steaks, no solace given to the cows that gave their lives so they may eat.

Cow racing.

I'm gonna get me a Coboy hat..drop a few more lbs...become a jockey :)

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My question is if there seems to be overwhelming evidence that a lot more was going on than originally thought, why did they make the disqualification call in the first place. You would think such a unprecedented decision would have indisputable evidence to back it up, even with only 20 minutes to make it. If someone is going to disqualify the winner of the Kentucky Derby, there really shouldn't be so much uncertainty in the evidence.

...and now I will too :). Bleery eyed photo finishes forEVAR!

Have any of you ever seen Chuck Wagon Racing? Imagine 4 thoroughbreds hitched to a wagon and 2 more outriders on thoroughbreds per ‘wagon’. 4 wagons race at the same time. They start with a figure 8 and then race around a 1/2 mile race track. It is very exciting to watch.

My son goes to school with the Glass twins, their dad Jason races as did his dad and grandfather.

This is amazing to watch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6HqcZkn3vE4

A very astute observation.

You just described my brother's second wife.

Wife #3 isn't much better....................it might be he likes being ridden. :D

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/13/maximum-securitys-jockey-suspended-after-kentucky-derby-disqualification/23725446/



Stewards for the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission announced in a statement Monday that Luis Saez, Maximum Security’s jockey, is suspended 15 days for interfering with riders during the 145th running of the Kentucky Derby.

The stewards met with those involved Friday. Saez and his lawyers provided a video alleging War of Will and his jockey were the ones to interfere. The video highlights language used by announcers during the race and the “domino effect” caused by War of Will that also resulted in the horse scraping against Maximum Security’s hooves.

Maximum Security crossed the finish line first but was later disqualified, a first for the Kentucky Derby. Country Horse was named the winner while Maximum Security

The KHRC suspended Saez for “failure to control his mount and make the proper effort to maintain a straight course thereby causing interference with several rivals that resulted in the disqualification of his mount.”

No other jockeys will be punished, per the statement. Saez will be suspended beginning May 23. It runs through June 14.

Well, I guess they are doubling down on stupid.

And the first lawsuit has been filed :D Now we get to have attorneys decide the Derby winner instead of the horses. Get used to it.

Maximum Security's Owners File Lawsuit Over Kentucky Derby Result

Maximum Security owner issues $20 million challenge to Kentucky Derby rivals.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/maximum-security-owner-issues-20-million-challenge-kentucky-derby-rivals