Kentucky Derby -wow wow WOW
 

Maximum Security wins!

Uhhhhh, wait...protest...

Protest upheld and Country House named winner at 65 to 1.....

A shame really. The fastest horse was DQ for shifting lanes that had no impact on Country House.

I know nothing about horse racing rules but I think that was a BS call . The horse lead the entire race .

do you think 65 to 1 odds had any effect on the decision?

No.

i know nothing about this particular situation, but in general I am weary of all the complications and contingencies that arise in any competition. From presidential elections to superbowls to horse racing, there is always a “but.”
It’s gotten so you can’t even flip a coin and get an unambiguous result.

The story I read is Maximum Security impeded several horses lines through out the race. If that's the rule then fine but impeding a line? Seems to me that's a strategy to win, one that every car race ever has utilized.

The interesting piece is that he edged away from the boards, slightly impeding two other horses, but not the 2nd place horse. Neither of the impacted horses posted the challenge. Neither felt it affected their position. The unaffected 2nd place team posted the challenge. So, they know they lost to a faster horse, but posted the challenge to get the faster horse disqualified, handing them the win.

My guess is the rule is in place to protect the safety of the horse that gets cut off

In watching that video, you have to wonder why the jockey took his horse off the inside rail?

Even if it was unintentional, it doesn't seem very smart.

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JK Peter - I know what you meant. She's probably right but I can't help but think that was his undoing.

Here ya go Peter.....

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The jockey stated that the horse was startled by the crowd noise coming onto the straight and that he pulled him back into line as soon as he could. It certainly wasn't intentional and did not affect the 2nd place finisher at all. I hate when sporting events are decided by technicalities like this.

Ohhhh, 65 to 1. Now THAT appeals to me.

My horse racing tip for you all. Don't bet on the horse, bet on the jockey. Top jockeys never ride bad horses. And when horses are being quietly prep'ed up for a win the owners and trainers don't mind paying extra for the best jockey.

The problem with what happened yesterday is it sets a precedent. That's the worst part. I can see demands for video replays of every perceived misstep at every future Derby. Eventually with lawyers involved and days of slo-mo video analysis.

When I was watching live, I thought to myself 'holy ****, this is some rough and tumble action coming out of the final turn. In the slop no less! This is real old-school horse racing boys & girls!' 30 minutes later .... the Derby may have changed forever :rolleyes:

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Agree. These are animals, not humans or automobiles. Removing latitude for imperfection will change the sport...but not for the better. I think it was a bad call for horse racing.

The owner of Maximum Security must be maximum pissed. He will still make a lot of money on breeding tho.

It was the correct call. It has been a rule in the sport for a hundred years. It ain't NASCAR rules.

Whether it was the animal or the jockey is immaterial. Watching it live with a roomful of horse people, we all thought there would be a protest. Its just too dang dangerous for the trailing horse. These horses make 100's of millions in stud, and one with a broken leg generally gets put down, so its financial as well as safety.
Right call...

It only had an affect on who finished 3rd and 4th. To totally disqualify the clear winner of The Derby because he may have affected the 3rd and 4th place horse is BS. If they are going to start enforcing technicalities to determine the winner, every aggrieved owner will file disputes from here on out, knowing they now have a chance to improve their position based on this first in history precedent. There was a LOT of bumping at the start too (as usual) - will that be a basis for a penalty next year? Probably.

If Maximum Security had been trained by their favorite Bob Baffert, the stewards wouldn't have even bothered to look at the videos.

And it wasn’t the stewards that initiated the reconsideration. Nor was it the two affected riders. Seems an opportunistic play by the second place team to steal the win from the faster horse. Unfortunately it worked.

I’d guess if you go back and watch the last ten Kentucky Derby’s, you’d see much worse. This was a bad call. My opinion.

Thanks for that perspective....watched it...distracted w/ puppy...best horse won THAT race imo. I equated it to a bs call in sports I do know...with even more $ at stake too imo. As a VERY casual observer....it was B$....in this case H$ :)...I really don't care...I know who WON that race ;)

Yes, and he'll make the money in stud that the winner deserves. I don't think the stewards took it lightly. And if you watch the vid, not only did Max impede the 3rd place horse, but he also cut back inside and bumped the rail horse after. Looked to me like he was outta control.

We are all in the opinion business on this one, but I agree with the assessment above. Seeing it in real time I knew there was going to be a protest. Watch the rerun and track horse 5.

Since I grew up working horses, I worked as a swing groom for a known horse trainer my senior year in HS in Aiken, SC - a big winter training ground for Thoroughbreds - when we moved there. I also worked a winter grooming when I was chasing the baseball dream.

I know the sons of a lot of well know trainers, jockeys (flat and Steeplechase) from that era. I called one after the race. "Good call", was his answer. He also mentioned that the initial winning jockey brought up the potential interference when we was being interviewed while still mounted.

Given the financial stakes, this is far from over - the owner and trainer have mentioned a follow-on protest.

If you folks have never been to a flat race/Steeplechase, do it. The power of these animals in full flight is wondrous to behold in person.

I barely watched it real time...no replays...I'm outta this one :).

Paul...go to the Tanglewood Steeplechase sometime if ya get a chance...po' folks playin' horsey :)

Foxfield steeplechase here in Charlottesville is cool-spring is a uva rowdyfest, fall subdued


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I know nothing about horse racing but as soon as we saw it I told me wife that a horse swerving outside like that seemed questionable. He cut off another horse and that isn't legal...it is considered dangerous. You can't concern yourself with the fact of what horses were affected because that would turn it into the NBA. Guy hits player on the wrist but the fouler is a star, playing at home and it's in the 4th quarter...so no call. But if it was on the road in the 1st quarter then we'll call it. The winner cut off two other horses, those horses had to pull up and that isn't legal. Glad they had the guts to call a foul a foul. If they don't call it when everyone knows it's a foul (announcer even said so) then you open a can a worms and conspiracy theories.

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Kentucky Horse Racing Commission chief steward Barbara Borden said the riders of Long Range Toddy and Country House lodged objections against Maximum Security for interference.


"We had a lengthy review of the race," Borden said. "We interviewed affected riders. We determined that (Maximum Security) drifted out and impacted the progress of War of Will, in turn interfering with the 18 and 21. Those horses were all affected by the interference."


Friday's Kentucky Oaks for fillies began with a scary spill at the start by Positive Spirit that dumped rider Manny Franco. Neither the horse nor rider was injured, and both walked off the track. Serengeti Empress won the race in her first start since pulling up early in March at Fair Grounds with external bleeding.

The incidents come soon after the industry enacted a raft of medication and safety rules changes following the deaths of 23 horses over three months at California's Santa Anita.

The way Maximum Security blocked the field by moving three lanes to the right and then diving back to the rail made me wonder........When did Max Verstappen become a jockey? :D

Ol' #3 would've never had the win "stolen" an hour later like that...racin' is racin'...then settle it with a brawl....

I might even watch the replays then ;)

We go to Radnor Hunt Steeplechase. Will agree spectacular to behold.

We also attend Preakness.

Wow and Wow what an amazing picture. Don't know horse racing at all, but if it was a legitimate call, no matter how old a rule, its just too bad. For the nag that got the boot.

So, how were the bets paid?

Bets were paid on final official result.

It won't be overturned. Two owners filed a protest. All three judges were in agreement. .

Thie is not the first time a horse has been disqualified in a horse race.

Indy Car champion Paul Tracy calls it "the Pruitt fade".

Happens in the NHL with certain players both famous and infamous and it sux.