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Por_sha911 05-27-2019 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahler9th (Post 10471820)
I thought the red flag period was too long. And the running under yellow as well. It is possible that it just took a long time to clear the track and get all of the safety personnel back in place. But I suspect the NASCAR drama creation machine was at work. I think there is often evidence of that machine working in Indy Car broadcasts.

No doubt that they could have had it all sorted out much sooner but look at how many more premium charge commercials they sold!

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Originally Posted by Mahler9th (Post 10471820)
Interesting... a Frenchman caused the wreck that gave a Frenchman an opportunity to recover from excessive fuel consumption. In both cases an American driver got pimped.

I love a good conspiracy theory.

Scott Douglas 05-27-2019 09:58 AM

Someone needs to step up and just 'buy' the broadcast so it can be shown 'commercial free' like the Rose Parade is.

Por_sha911 05-27-2019 10:34 AM

I suspect that the teams are getting bigger money sponsorship from the companies that want their name in the commercials after you saw it on the car. I had no idea what Gainbridge did even though they were on a car and sponsored the race until I saw the commercials.

Zeke 05-27-2019 11:35 AM

This NASCAR conspiracy theory is ridiculous regarding Indy cars running 220 MPH laps around a narrow track. That wreck and the resulting crashing out of the race at least 3 other cars was frightening. That would be criminal intent to purposely cause a wreck.

I have a fairly solid belief that when Bill France Jr. was running the show that a lot of single car spins were suspect. I can tell you that my BIL was in charge of telecommunications at Talledaga many years ago and installed a direct phone line from Bill's suite to some interesting points including the starter's stand. The apparent reason for such installations was so that radio coms could not be monitored.

Single car spins from someone not in the hunt at a strategic time of a given race was always suspected of being staged. Not multi-car pile ups of open wheel cars. Come on, be serious.

sammyg2 05-27-2019 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 10469348)
Graham or Marco, Ed C. or Sato, anybody not driving for Penske, Tony K, any Andretti driver.

In that order, give or take.

Rahal is an entitled punk that needs to be taken out back of the woodshed.
If sea bass had any attachments he would have done so.

pwd72s 05-27-2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 10472220)
Someone needs to step up and just 'buy' the broadcast so it can be shown 'commercial free' like the Rose Parade is.

People actually watch the Rose Parade?????

greglepore 05-27-2019 04:44 PM

Well that certainly explains why I watch Indycar.
Terrific last 30 laps; yes, they are spec cars but I want to watch driving not a tech show.
Max at least tried to make Monaco interesting. But Indy was captivating.
Oriel Servia is past his use by date. I love the guy but the way he raced Rossi was flat out inexcusable.
Graham needs to grow up. That was a racing incident. His wife has bigger ballz.

Baz 05-27-2019 07:01 PM

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madcorgi 05-27-2019 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 10472584)
Well that certainly explains why I watch Indycar.
Terrific last 30 laps; yes, they are spec cars but I want to watch driving not a tech show.
Max at least tried to make Monaco interesting. But Indy was captivating.
Oriel Servia is past his use by date. I love the guy but the way he raced Rossi was flat out inexcusable.
Graham needs to grow up. That was a racing incident. His wife has bigger ballz.

Agree on all counts. I want to like Graham, because I like his talent and bravery, and I am a huge fan of his dad, but he is a whiny little thing. Bourdais had the corner, and Graham decided to press the issue. I've seen him do that a lot of times. It was a racing accident.

His wife has bigger ballz than the first three rows.

The race really flew by.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDj2gFyZAwk

chapo 05-27-2019 10:00 PM

Don't agree, Graham could have backed out, Seabass moved down considerably. I don't like either driver so I guess I am unbiased lol. their are great rookies in the sport now, time for Seabass, TK, Servia, and others to move along.

astrochex 05-28-2019 04:40 AM

Congrats too to John Menard, he finally won one.

Por_sha911 05-28-2019 04:57 AM

I listened to the interviews and both Rahal and Seabass said basically the same thing: "I thought he would back out" Seabass knew Rahal was there and decided to force him to back out or hit the dirt. Rahal knew it was an agressive move and figured Seabass wasn't stupid enough to end the race over the position. Both lost in a 220 mph game of chicken. Its call racing on the edge. If Rahal had pulled off the pass he would have been praised for a gutsy move. He was moving up and could probably been on the podium. As his teammate Sato would say "No attack, no chance"

If you want to talk about whiners, Andretti whines more that Crosby.

greglepore 05-28-2019 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 10472890)
I listened to the interviews and both Rahal and Seabass said basically the same thing: "I thought he would back out" Seabass knew Rahal was there and decided to force him to back out or hit the dirt. Rahal knew it was an agressive move and figured Seabass wasn't stupid enough to end the race over the position. Both lost in a 220 mph game of chicken. Its call racing on the edge. If Rahal had pulled off the pass he would have been praised for a gutsy move. He was moving up and could probably been on the podium. As his teammate Sato would say "No attack, no chance"

If you want to talk about whiners, Andretti whines more that Crosby.

Which is why it was a racing incident. Rahal had no reason to get in SB's face.

legion 05-28-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 10472983)
Which is why it was a racing incident. Rahal had no reason to get in SB's face.

I can understand the "heat of the moment" aspect to it. Hopefully he was mature enough to privately apologize (for getting in his face, not the racing) when he calmed down.

Zeke 05-28-2019 08:34 AM

Jeeze, we used to get that angry at a go kart race. Ever been to Saturday night dirt track? The only issue I see is Rahal was impairing the emergency response people, particularly the first one to Bourdais' cockpit.

For the record, although I agree that this was a 'racing incident', Rahal was at fault. He should have known after the first hint of contact but he stayed in it for more and got what he asked for. So, the race was ruined for 5 drivers as a result.

URY914 05-28-2019 11:44 AM

Winner's payout $2.67 million. Plus a Vette for winning the pole worth about $85k.

For now he's a little a head of the Jeopardy winner.

Mahler9th 05-28-2019 12:47 PM

Did not mean to imply the big wreck was rigged. But what I am not sure about is why it took so long to recover from it. No doubt folks whom were there would have better info about the condition of the track and so on.

Of course it could have been that the long red delay and the subsequent several laps under yellow were needed to get safety people back into place after the big clean up.

Maybe the yellow laps were extended to let the cars and or tires get warm.

But it all seemed to take longer than it should have.

It should not be hard to find the truth-- a simple email to a magazine like Racer could illuminate. Or to a journalist like Robin or Marshall.

Zeke 05-28-2019 01:45 PM

They spent a considerable amount of time running the sweeper back and forth to get up as much of the Speedy-dry and minuter carbon fiber particles as possible. All the oil and debris was right smack in the racing line. That and the re-positioning of the lapped cars once running again. That would have been impossible under the red. Plus it helped for the cars themselves to run through that area not only to familiarize themselves with what traction was available but to further dust off the track with the cars' aero effects which is a damn good duster.

I see no conspiracy there. I misunderstood your ^^^^^ comment. Sorry.

URY914 05-28-2019 05:39 PM

Why don't they send out about a dozen guys with backpack blowers like the lawn crews use? Seems like it would help things along.

Zeke 05-28-2019 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 10473584)
Why don't they send out about a dozen guys with backpack blowers like the lawn crews use? Seems like it would help things along.

Don't know about Indy but NASCAR has their truck mounted blowers that can use heat for drying or just blow. I'll tell you, I got in the wind of one of those once and it's a hurricane.


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