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Originally Posted by speeder
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It’s hard to know where to start w this post. Yes, being a terrorist is an equal opportunity type thing. Why do you think that all of the recent ones in the U.S. are white males and young? What’s different in the social/political climate in recent years? It’s obvious to any honest person in the world that the easy availability of guns and ammo is what makes the U.S. the place where this happens every week but that’s always been the case. Why did this not happen every week in 2010 or 1988? :confused:
Your last paragraph is just propaganda, completely dishonest. The term, “mass shooting” is generally accepted to be 3 or more victims, (not 4, a completely different threshold), also your statement regarding the number and frequency in American cities is simply pulled from your ass. I’ve live down in Los Angeles for decades, the violent crime and murder rate has plummeted and I cannot recall a shooting w four or more victims in recent memory, much less on “any given night.” :rolleyes:
More to the point, someone shooting gang rivals or their family in the ‘hood, while tragic, has zero effect on my safety or yours. It’s something you read about in the paper. Chicago is a perfectly safe city for everyone who does not live in certain neighborhoods and/or engage in certain lifestyles. Mass shootings in random public places are a different thing and are textbook cases of terrorism. I was in a Walmart yesterday, buying motor oil. The victims are complete innocents engaging in normal activities in normal, public places. I can certainly see your motivation for conflating terrorism w normal crime but it’s like trying to wrap 9/11 into overall commercial aviation safety. That dog won’t hunt.
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Start at the beginning like I will with your post. I just showed you that all the "recent" mass shooters are not white males. Unless your time frame for recent only encompasses the past forty eight hours. Everyone of my examples except the DC snipers were within the past two, three years.
I can not speak to ever state, but, I can tell you in NJ guns are not easily obtainable for the "law abiding" citizen. Illegal guns are easily obtainable in Atlantic City, Newark, Camden, Trenton (the state capitol) and I would venture a guess illegal guns are much easier to obtain in every state of the union illegally than legally. I would also venture a guess that far more illegal guns (including stolen) than legal guns are used in mass shootings than legal guns.
It did happen regularly in 2010. Why not so prevalent in 1988? Because like most things that effect the human psyche it takes the first person to do it and others follow. There was a time people thought the world was flat. One guy tried it. Now more people don't think the world is flat and travel around the world. Also not unlike a fashion fad. That's why law enforcement is always worried about copy cat shooters. Now mass shootings are common place like Uggs. Lets just hope it fades away like the grunge fad or Members only jackets.
My last paragraph is not dishonest it was the figure I found after searching several websites. But, I will accept your figure of three. Makes my point even more. Again those cities were not pulled from my ass. The statistics state "victims" not dead. So roll your eyes. I will bet there a three or more victims on any given night in Los Angeles. :rolleyes:
Sorry Denis but you also don't get to exclude incidents because they don't fit your narrative. Yes gang shootings do count and I bet the families that don't have anything to do with those shootings sitting in their houses watching The Jefferson's when a bullet flies through the window feel Terrorized. I bet the kids sitting on a stoop when a car drives by and shoots out the window just to terrorize the people feel terrorized. or the car that shoots the wrong group of kids, mistaken identity feel terrorized. Every single night on the Philadelphia news that encompasses Camden, NJ, Wilmington, DE, Trenton, NJ they report three, four, five shootings, in night clubs, bars, city parks, etc. Yes many in broad daylight with families trying to enjoy them selves. Those shootings count.
In my world Denis no crime is "normal" but apparently in your world certain crimes are normal and from what I read they deserve what they get because they live in the wrong neighborhoods or engage in certain life styles. It's clear those lives don't matter to you. Because they aren't you and me. Two white guys going to Walmart to buy our Charmin. Denis I'm sorry to say a large portion of your post is just flat out racist.
