The Constitution by design is a political tool.

We have had a good number of them that we find out after the fact were psych patients and taking a kaleidoscope of medications. It would have been nice for the treating clinician to have a convenient way to report folks like that a-hole Aurora. This has to be structured in a Constitutional fashion, which will be challenging. If you are going to connect psych meds to gun restrictions, maybe unbalanced people avoid treatment; does that result in worse outcomes? Mental health seems to be a large piece of the puzzle, one we ought to be able to do something about.

To stop a lot of the contributing factors is like trying to unring a bell. Violent media/games, photo realistic video training games for mass murder. Immediate communication with like minded folks to storm the Walmart and steal massive amounts of stuff or to attack the Teens for Trump at the mall with chains and bike locks. Life is cheap, disposable even.
This is huge. It is not so much that we are having more incidents per se. More that each incident has an army of publicists. The path to fame is doing something that gets you on the news. I wonder how many horrible tragedies would never have happened if the cowardly murderous a-hole were only referred to as such.

Yeah, mental health issue. Unless you think murdering 30 people because they are white or black or infidels is not crazy. I say that is not sane and normal.

In my opinion anyone that picks up a gun or fills a truck with explosives with the sole intent to kill as many innocent lives as possible has a mental health issue . Maybe that mental health issue is temporary or has been building for a long time but it is not a normal thought process . The weapon of choice ( gun/truck/airplane ) is not the issue it is the thought process that say's lets go kill as many people as we can today .

I’ll accept your argument. It is an arbitrary number for statistics.

Every weird and nonsensical argument by anti-gun regulation people is to push an agenda as well, do you agree?

Reporting on Christopher Wray's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee is now "fake news"? Is CSpan fake news? It broadcast Wray's testimony, in which he said,
”I will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, but it does include other things as well,”

You didn't have to say it, you said it without saying it. I may not be the brightest bulb in the Chandelier but I shine pretty bright. I wouldn't think you would engage any further. Usually the route a coward or person that can not back up their statements takes.

Take care. SmileWavy

Apples and oranges.

Go visit for an extended period of time and understand how well structured they are.
They don't ignore the small bs.
They make long-term plans and not reactionary ones.

Japan's way of life would never survive the "victimhood society" here.

the right to self defense is an agenda. -sure. Why not. :rolleyes:

Shooting large numbers of peaceful people in an enclosed space? No, it cannot be done without a gun or three.

Now, I know this is where you pull up examples of terrorist acts using bombs or vehicles, in an attempt to deflect from the role of easily obtained firearms in the U.S. The truth is that if I want to kill a large number of civilians, the easiest and preferred way is to get a high-powered rifle that holds a lot of ammo and walk into a mall or a movie theater and start shooting. It’s the American way of doing it, sometimes copied in Europe if they can get the guns.

I said in the PARF thread that we need to either accept the current status quo or change something and people jumped down my throat. It was a true statement and not particularly political except that I had it wrong; it will not be the status quo. It will get worse. I realized my mistake as soon as I hit, “send” but was too lazy to edit.

And it’s not a mental health issue, unless being pissed-off enough to killl is suddenly classified as such. Absolutely none of the mass shooters in the U.S. who have survived and been charged have been able to use an insanity defense because none are insane. That is a right-wing talking point and it’s weaker than a newborn kitten.

Sorry, I should have been clearer for you, chandelier bulb. I’ll engage plenty, just not w you.

Oh Denis... Moving the goal post. Changing mass killing to mass shooting so you can claim the need of guns. :rolleyes:

From PARF

I would not consider CSpan fake news when airing hearings, so long as they don't interject an opinion and they air the hearings in their entirety. Give a person the information and let them draw their own conclusion.

I did not look it up but will not dispute this is what he said,

”I will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, but it does include other things as well".

What isn't included in that statement is what percentages of cases are just dismissed with out investigation or don't get reported for investigation? Cases perhaps involving a Muslim group, Antifa, black Panther type group? I think it goes without saying there are many cities that don't investigate or report certain crimes/incidents? San Francisco, Denver, New York, Chicago, Berkley and others. Infact those cities aid in certain crimes.

He also doesn't state what percentage of those investigations are actually racist, hate crimes and are prosecuted vs. how many aren't crimes but reported. I don't know maybe some white guy says to some black guy Baltimore is a rat infested S**t hole and that becomes a racist statement by a white supremist.

So he made a statement but doesn't take it any further, unless you are holding back.

Your were quite clear.

You do realize that insanity is a legal term, not a medical one? So just because someone can't establish insanity for purposes of a plea doesn't mean they aren't mentally ill.

I think that you will need back surgery soon from carrying goal posts around the field and out into the parking lot around here. I’m surprised that you would use that analogy. :)

Ask Tim McVieg (sp?) if guns are needed to produce mass casualties.

Guns are but one tool.

I have posted before, locally some crazy took over a loaded city bus as it approached a commonly used suicide bridge, and steered it over the edge. -it went over the edge and landed on an apartment building.

Doing the deed, as you call it. doesn't require a gun. Just admit it.

I understand mental health and the legal system in the U.S. pretty well. I think that huge numbers of people suffer from some type of mental health issues but it is not the “x-factor” determining the rise in mass shootings. That is a political talking point and a waste of breath.

You cannot just wave a hand and dismiss the mental health aspect. Every other case involves a teenage male with a long term prescription to some Ritalin type drug.

If you are desperately seeking a cause other than the easy availability of military style rifles and large ammo capacities related to mass shootings recently in the U.S., the logical connection is the rise in white supremacy and white nationalism. Almost all recent terrorism in the USA has been carried out by someone espousing those beliefs.

You don’t have to imagine someone’s supposed mental health or prescription medications. It’s all there in their own words and writing.

You’re welcome.

Pulse night club?

This thread is about the latest mass shooting, third one in a week in the U.S. Yes, it’s possible to kill people in other ways. No, it’s not relevant to this conversation.