Collings Foundation B17 crashes on landing
 

Not sure of damage. I have flown on that plane. Let me say that onboard safety equipment was WW2 vintage. Bradley Airport in Harford.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1061161

Dang.... :(

It was the Nine-O-Nine......

At least 2 killed when World War II-era plane crashes at Connecticut airport

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...rip=all&w=1286

Hadn't heard that two were killed. I think they were near the end of this years national tour. They carry paying passengers 8 or 10 at a time. They tour with and give rides on the 17 , B24, ,B25, and a P51 trainer. I have flown on the 17 and 24.

Makes me sad

Terrible news!

Here are a couple of crappy pictures when I flew in NineO Nine. I have videos that I can't find.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1570036282.jpg
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It was carrying 10 passengers.

My "seat" was on the floor behind the pilot's. My seatback was the back of the pilot's seat. My seatbelt was a WW2 vintage lap belt.

This vid was taken out of it's open top hatch. You could stick your head out during the flight

https://youtu.be/hxB9lFA1sMg

Anothet from the top turret


https://youtu.be/VCze6ma96Oo

This is terrible news, not only the (potential) tragic lose of life but the lose of another part of that time period.

Last weekend. Awful

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Sad news indeed. Especially the loss of life.

A departed Uncle once crashed a B-17 with loss of life. I only recently learned of it...he never talked about the war.

oeing B-17G Flying Fortress 42-38093. 367th Bombardment Squadron, 306th Bombardment Group, 8th Air Force, US Army Air Force, based at Thurleigh Bedfordshire.
Pilot Lt Gordon L Donkin.

On the 12th September 1944 the 306th BG took part in a raid on the Ruhland oil refineries south of Berlin, part of a concentrated effort by the USAAF to destroy German fuel supplies.
367th BS sent nine aircraft, with Lt Donkin's 42-38093 as the lead aircraft of the lower group. North of Berlin the group came under heavy flak and fighter attack, 367 squadron losing four aircraft to fighters and 42-38093 badly shot up. In 42-38093 the tail gunner was killed, the radio operator and top turret gunner wounded and one of the engines shot up. The aircraft continued to the target and on the return flight came under renewed fighter attack with another engine and the intercom put out of action.

Escorted part of the way by P-51 Mustangs 42-38093, now with just a single engine, crossed the English Channel rapidly loosing height. As soon as the English coast was crossed Donkin ordered the crew to bail out but only four had time to do so. On the final approach to Manston the last engine quit and the aircraft crash landed on a smooth area, crossed a ditch and knocked down a search light tower before coming to a halt, then catching fire, the bombardier being killed in the crash.

The crew.

Lt Gordon L Donkin: pilot. Injured in crash.
Captain Donald C MacDonald: Co-pilot. Injured in crash.
2nd Lt Gerald A Weiler: Navigator. Injured in crash.
Technical Sgt Clarence B Tuers: Flight engineer/top turret gunner. Wounded in action.
T Sgt Willard M Colvin: Radio operator. Wia.
Staff Sgt Norman Morrow: Ball turret gunner. Injured in jump.
Sgt Lawrence G Joslin: Waist gunner.
Capt Arthur S Hostettler: Bombardier. Killed in crash.
S Sgt Jack B Eppler: Tail gunner. Killed in action.

7 crew returned to duty.


http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=19856.0

that blows

Ohhh..that's not good. Hopefully some people were able to get out..

My grandfather was a bombardier in a B17 over Europe from late '42 through the end of the war. He signed up on Dec. 8, 1941 and went for pilot but missed it by a few points on his tests.

I have a number of items including his wings, silk survival maps, letters to my grandmother, dog tags and a diary he kept of his missions.

The diary stops around mission 22 or 23 when he, the pilot and radio man were the only ones to make it back to England alive. The crew was the same he had been with since training so it hit the survivors really hard, so he couldn't write about it anymore.

He didn't talk about his experiences very often, but when he did, he had some very interesting stories.

13 on plane, 5 dead, the rest badly injured, some beyond recognition.

Just horrible.

“Lord guide and protect those who fly,
Who draw great faces in the sky.

Be with them always in the air,
In darkening form or sunlit fair.

Oh hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air.”

Amen


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I am seeing where the two pilots died and at least 3 others.

This is a pic looking up through fhe plane towards the pilots cockpit. That small walkway is through the bomb bay. You can see the"bombs" on either side of the walkway. Where you see the girl flight attendant is where two passengers would be sitting. (That is where I sat for takeofff and landing.). The pilots have an exit but the passengers behind them would have to crosss through the bomb bay or climb over the pilots seats to reach the exit.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1570056123.jpg

There has long been a debate over flying warbirds. This will inevitably happen to 70-80 year old machines. But on the other hand they cannot really be appreciated unless they fly.

Don’t know which side I’m on.

I would fly on one tomorrow.

A tragic day! I love those old war birds but they are statistically certain to crash at some point.

The exhibit was in my town a few weeks ago. They come every year for a week.

WW1 planes can be recreated with difficulty. But it is possible. I’ve flown in a few. I don’t foresee a point when someone can make a F4U Corsair in his garage.

Each year they fly them all around the country and make 50 or so stops for about 3 days each.

I had the B25 on my bucket list. That would have given me a flight in all 3 of their bombers. They didn't schedule Lawton this year so I missed out. They may never fly passengers again.

Dang, the tour was just in my town at the regional airport not far from my house...they have been here several times over the past few years. Sad to hear.

when I was a young kid in the 50's
lots of WW2 aircraft were in use as surplus for cheap service to the islands
and odd jobs like fruit fly spraying
b-25's were common but we saw b-17 and b-24 used on occasion
in addition to the more common box cars and c-47's still in olive drap

I went to a warbirds restore shop once they had a p-51 and a skyhawk being done
the owner said all they needed was the original serial number plate
as everything else can be found or remade and very often needed replacement
but he would NOT do a replacement aircraft without the original plate

Not the same plane, but a B-17 at the airport near me last weekend.
Condolences to those affected.

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This is terrible. Reports are pilot radioed they were having engine trouble 10 minutes after take-off and had trouble gaining altitude--plane came in hard and took out a de-icer and maintenance shed.
Like Sooner, I flew in a B-17 (Aluminum Overcast) 2 years ago--not any real safety gear, and I sat where he did, with my back against the back of the pilot seats and there was a WW2 vet on the flight as well. Had there been an incident, not much one can do.

Condolences to the families who lost loved ones, and I hope this doesn't lead to grounding and ending the opportunity to experience these warbirds--it really is something special.

Condolences to the families who lost loved ones!

When you consider the T/O's and landings that these planes do, their safety record would seem pretty damned good. Aluminum Overcast was in Glens Falls NY recently and probably did 10 half hour jumps with passengers over two days. They do this all summer and when one is lost it is most unfortunate and sad but I still contend the safety is good.

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A friend of mine flew in that very plane a few months back. Said they had a mag drop on the flight, but there are 4 engines so no biggie... The crash hit him hard... I flew a P40 recently, and as much as it was a bucket list item for me, I would lie if I did not admit worrying about my life a little - 80y old airframe, backseat with practically zero chance of exit in a crash (have to slide the rear canopy over the pilot's to escape).... You live your passion or you stay on the sofa I guess.

I don't want to speculate, but I wonder about one thing.. whenever there's an engine issue and a plane crashes "returning to the airport" the FAA always ends up hinting it might have been best to belly land it straight ahead in a field. My instructor said the same to me long ago when I was learning to fly. I wonder if the fact that it's a rare old bird makes the pilots (as qualified as they are) lose sight of that a little and try to save it and get back to the airport at all cost... Sad all around... I hear the injured are severely burned. Ugh....

I was just finishing the last ep of Plane savers and watching the DC3 fly for the first time when I heard... sucks.

Any info on what caused it to crash?

Not yet. Furthest right engine out, which is why they were returning to land. The structure they hit is far off of the right side of the runway, but almost at the threshold length wise.
Supposedly there are a boatload of gopros on the plane, hopefully one or two survived.

A friend of mine flew on NineONine ten days ago at the stop in Worcester, MA.

7 dead.

There are pictures of the crash site on line but I don't think they need to be posted here.

Is losing an engine on a B-17 a big deal? I imagine it was much lighter than what it was designed for.

Absolutely not. Something else happened here.

There is a Reddit thread on /r/aviation where several people reported the plane had been mistakenly refueled with Jet A.

^^^ if so how in the world could that have happened?^^

It happened to Bob Hoover's Mustang once.

Lets re-live the real past.


The pilots and crew who manned those planes during WWII were true heroes; God bless them all. The pussy laden society of today couldn't hold a candle to them

my Dad wasn't involved but later was heavily involved in the Sat V big kahuna.


B17

Role Heavy bomber
National origin United States
Manufacturer Boeing
First flight 28 July 1935; 84 years ago[1]
Introduction April 1938; 81 years ago
Retired 1968 (Brazilian Air Force)
Primary users United States Army Air Forces
Royal Air Force
Produced 1936–1945
Number built 12,731[2][3]
Unit cost
US$238,329 (1945)[4]
US$2.7 million (in 2018 dollars)[5]
Variants
XB-38 Flying Fortress
YB-40 Flying Fortress
C-108 Flying Fortress
Developed into Boeing 307 Stratoliner


lets go get the ball bearing plant. and follow up the aircraft assy plant.

1943

400 B17 bombers.


they lost 60 of them .

500 miles behind enemy lines.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRtJdsBePb0

lightweight really, 30 tons fully loaded, hell that's only 60,000 pounds. each


but 400000 bomb ordinance dropped.


FYI, curb weight of a 747 is about 400000 pounds.
Heavy Lifter Cargo Freighter scales out at 1 million pounds



then they got hammered by fighters on the way home.

good lord. the tail gunner, nose gunner, belly , and sides...........

the sound , smell, your freeezing cold, a sheepskin jacket. what, mayber a 200mph cruise speend?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACrW2rIuKtQ




the ugly side of reality that you'll never see on any news channel.


Unique Moments of WW2 Air�raft Crash Landing - Bombers Shot Down in Air Battle - YouTube




this crash video has struck a chord with me.


dammit.