Yea, Occam's Razor is the first thing to apply.

There is little doubt that somewhere out in the giant universe is intelligence that have been around for over a million years. Humans are maybe 35,000 years old and technology really happened in the last few hundred.

From the first powered airplane to fly to men walking on the moon was just 66 years.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1570563493.jpg
I took this picture of the display right here in Oklahoma.

The challenge and energy needed to travel interstellar distances is simply vast. I have no idea what those objects were. Hopefully it was some gizmos developed at Area 51. We know now the SR71 and Stealth bomber and fighter were the cause of many "UFO" sightings back in the era they were developed.

Before the movie Close Encounters of the Third kind was made, extraterrestrial beings were described as looking different. Now almost everyone says they are little grey naked dudes with giant heads and big eyes.

Betty and Barney Hill described them in 1962 as being Little Greys.

They were the first of the lost time alien abduction cases... where under hypnosis they were able to recover the memories of their experience. the book that recounted their story is "Interrupted Journey"

When leaving the UFO Betty asked one of the Greys about a star map that was being displayed, where the Grey answered those are places we visit and trade with. When recreating what she saw there was an UNKNOWN star at the time on the map that was discovered some 7 years later in 1969.


As a kid in the mid 60's I remember seeing the Hills on a talk show recounting their experiences... Further my Shrink friend as a Phd candidate graduate advisor had a student working on a Phd on Alien abduction cases....His only comment was that, "Something did happen to those people."

Look up their articles:

The men stood about five feet to five feet four inches tall, and wore matching blue uniforms, with caps similar to those worn by military cadets. They appeared nearly human, with black hair, dark eyes, prominent noses and bluish lips. Their skin was a greyish colour.[19]

OK, they have ashen skin, lots of humans do to. That is a LONG long way from the clip below.

A long way from this:

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Now almost all of the extraterrestrials are described like the critters in the movie.

very interesting, watched the whole thing, the hipster looking dude didn't bring anything to the subject

Cmdr. David Fravor came across as very credible, must be more out there like him and Seahawk with eye witness stories to tell

Barney described beings wearing shiny black uniforms with spindly legs, a bulky torso and cat-like eyes...Concord Monitor

https://www.concordmonitor.com/In-Lincoln-a-UFO-story-that-is-out-of-this-world-15987667

So we have lots of versions of what the Hills saw. As evidenced above.

In the book there is a drawing made by one of the Hills. Which is the basic Little grey version.

Of course the pix you show is Hollywoods rendition.

Maybe you have "spindly legs" so that would not seem abnormal to you.

Did you see his wife's description as they were "almost human" so the both see the same thing and come up with totally different descriptions. Like they just made it all up.

The galaxy is just a really big place. Let's assume that today I discover the Star Trek wap drive secret, and give the world full warp drive up to warp 9.9 like the movies and TV show. It is pitifully slow for this big solar system, much less the galaxy.

https://www.businessinsider.sg/star-trek-warp-light-speed-reality-travel-nasa-animation-2019-1/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR 2cjvcbBIc3DEx7aidT6DNCkPuHwbIG7JBvVmqgOVY3EHTZWR4a J-tKj2k#Echobox=1570500042

Only issue I have with the "little greys" is I'm guessing evolved humans will look more like those in wall-e due to more conveniences and laziness. I'm assuming other intelligent societies will evolve similarly.

we are still cavemen when it comes to Technology and Physics.



Many things out there, we just can't fathom.


only just over 100 years ago, still hadn't figured out if we should use AC or DC for our nations power grid. We still used ICE boxes as refridgeration.


your Phone vs the Lunar landing processors?

To put that into more concrete terms, the latest phones typically have 4GB of RAM. That is 34,359,738,368 bits. This is more than one million (1,048,576 to be exact) times more memory than the Apollo computer had in RAM. The iPhone also has up to 512GB of ROM memory. That is 4,398,046,511,104 bits, which is more seven million times more than that of the guidance computer.

But memory isn’t the only thing that matters. The Apollo 11 computer had a processor – an electronic circuit that performs operations on external data sources – which ran at 0.043 MHz. The latest iPhone’s processor is estimated to run at about 2490 MHz. Apple do not advertise the processing speed, but others have calculated it. This means that the iPhone in your pocket has over 100,000 times the processing power of the computer that landed man on the moon 50 years ago.

I still use my old iPhone 6S. It has 128Gig of RAM. I am still amazed at that. When I finally do upgrade I will get a new iPhone with at least 512 Gig.

The Apollo computer was the first computer to use direct input from the user to do different tasks.

The Inertial measurement unit, or IMU is how they kept track of where they were. It was the size of a small fridge. You have a IMU in your smart phone the size of a pin head. It lets the phone know when you move it up to your head to turn off the display, and is used to calculate you movement and how far you walked.

I used to be hard core into all this stuff. Especially the alien abduction stuff, lost-time events, etc. Probably started when my Dad took me to see "Chariots of the Gods" in the '70s...

After a while though, it become like Bigfoot sightings. Years and years of sightings and stories from "credible" witnesses, etc., but in the end...no evidence that any of it is true. None. I am also fundamentally skeptical that an organization as inept as our government could keep something like this a "secret" for decades.

So...I became "agnostic" when it comes to this stuff. I want to believe very badly but I just can't until somebody comes forward with some actual evidence. Was it Sagan who said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"?

Still waiting on some extraordinary evidence...

Until then, I'll watch the Joe Rogan video... ;)

That is what I feel as well. I wish there was even a tiny scintilla of real evidence. Not one speck of evidence exists. Then the reality of the mind boggling size of the universe we live in just makes it very very unlikely that we will ever have proof of extraterrestrials, much less communicate with them or have them visit us.

This is one of my favorite reads on the subject (along with many other topics covered at www.waitbutwhy.com )

Why do you want to believe?

Because it would be so cool!! Intelligent life from somewhere else!! What does that life look like? Is it carbon-based? How do they travel? They're obviously more advanced than us - what can they teach us? What technology do they have?

I think it would be awesome.

I think it is naive and presumptuous of humans to believe that we are the only life in this whole vast universe. The statistics/probabilities alone dictate that the chances of life out there are very favorable. We simply don't know. I think this subject is the perfect use of the term "agnostic". We simply don't know and can't know whether other life exists.

Even if the chances are favorable for life elsewhere, that doesn't mean that they are visiting Earth. No evidence of that at all. Just because people see or experience something they can't explain - jumping to the conclusion that it must be aliens from another planet is irrational.

A couple summers ago my daughter, brother in law and myself saw a satellite doing S turns in the sky.

As you might imagine, after my cruise in '87 when I saw what I saw, I became a bit more curious on the subject. I know the Fermi Paradox inside and out and find it stretches the limits of what we know to be true, and I am very comfortable acknowledging that fact.

I am constantly amused, however (and not in a funny, ha-ha way, or scornful way), of those that know what they know sitting on the third rock from an unremarkable Sun in a bad neighborhood.

I kid, sort of.

What we know, our ability to measure, is limited. Remember Hubble? It completely changed our view of the Cosmos - and it was launched in 1990.

https://www.space.com/29157-hubble-space-telescope-science-legacy.html

I saw what I saw, spent almost ten minutes in situ trying to capture all the "whys and hows" that were coursing through my brain.

I have written this many times before: the reason I kept mum about the whole affair (we all did) is clear from the the arc of all discussions on UFO sightings, and why I won't go on record beyond this: sooner or later the observers motives and stability are called into question.

I would wager that we just aren't capable of detecting other intelligent life out there. Insert witty remark about intelligent life on this rock.

I find this very interesting and not entirely consistent with what I understand your religious beliefs to be.

I don‘t see an inconsistency at all. The existence of life elsewhere in the Universe is probable. I can‘t say the same for religious deities. I‘ll leave it at that in OT.

I'd like to sit down with you one day and hear this over a beer and pizza

Think my beer would go warm and my pizza cold :D

I watched the first 30 minutes of the video. The guy is very believable. I am confident he is being completely truthful and honest. He saw (visually and via radar/FLIR/etc.) something that he could not explain. How do we then make the giant leap of faith that this object was from another world? Does the video go on to explain how we know this was alien technology from another world?

This is where evidence comes in handy...

??????????????????????? Whacko!

I'm with you. I'd love to find something to believe. Until now, this colonel and his testimony and evidence is the closest that I've seen to extraordinary evidence so far.

I'm sure that you saw something doing S turns, but I don't think it was a satellite.

All he says is that at the time that he saw it he is pretty confident that we don't have the technology to do what he saw.

I thought he was very careful about not saying what it was, just what it wasn't.

It’s very hard listening to this and not believing him. He sounds very credible. This is a huge platform for him. I’m sure there’s gonna be new stories unfolding considering how big joe Rogans audience is


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I am sure it wasn't as well, but that is the best description I can think of because it looked just like one until the maneuvers.

We were testing the Heavens Above app on my phone at the time and had seen several by then. That one was not in the app and after the maneuvers we all looked at each other wondering if we all saw the same thing. It was not the Air Force space plane either since it was still up for a long time after we saw what we saw.

Interestingly, Joe Rogan had Edward Snowden on his podcast and Snowden said that he used his unique access into all things CIA/NSA/etc., to find out what the government knows (and is hiding) about extra-terrestrials and found nothing. A quote:

As I said earlier, I hope we do someday have solid evidence of extraterrestrial life. I really do.

But just because someone sounds believable means nothing. Have you ever seen a movie? There are people that are great at acting a role. They can tell a story and sound 100% truthful. That is what makes them a good actor.

When I start to look at the overwhelming size of the solar system, and just our galaxy, it just makes it illogical to think there has or ever will be travelers for other star systems.

Using our known technology.
Who knows what the future will reveal?
Worm holes, warp drive, parallel universe, ???

There may even be a short cut through the mirror universe!!

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/scientists-are-searching-mirror-universe-it-could-be-sitting-right-ncna1023206

https://www.sciencealert.com/former-nasa-scientist-demonstrates-why-star-trek-s-warp-speeds-are-painfully-slow

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The Star Trek warp drive is just really way to slow to travel to the stars. At Warp 9.9 it takes 5.5 hours just to get to Pluto!

Maybe wormholes are possible to control, and make one form where you are, and have it go to where you want. That is a really big maybe. A parallel universe is not our universe, only imagination can contemplate what that might be like.

I want to believe, just show me something that is real. Like bigfoot and unicorns, just stories.

I'm just saying that we don't know what we don't know.
Pretty exciting to think about what may be just around the next corner.
In the OP video, they said the craft just disappeared.
Was it cloaked? Or entered some parallel universe?
Exciting times!

So, why are so many of these things visible at all?

Imagine for a minute that intelligent life had also developed on some other 'Goldilocks' planet across the galaxy...only much earlier. Assuming the inhabitants of that world avoided catastrophe and have developed some very powerful technology to maintain their existence and to cross unimaginable distances in space, why then do they allow themselves to be seen? Wouldn't this hyper-tech also be able to grant them invisibility? I'd think that being invisible would be a huge asset in their favor, yet people continue to see these unexplained lights in the sky.

In our own past, when Europeans first sailed off to the Americas in the 15th century, it wasn't just to have a look around. They were after stuff and used some of the day's highest technology to get it. If ETs are using some of their highest tech to build craft and travel all the way to Earth, what could their motivations be? What's their ROI? Think about what happened to the Americas back in the day once technology granted people the power to travel distances only once dreamed about.

And if other beings aren't using actual physical tech to reach Earth, and these lights in the sky are just an unavoidable consequence of using some sort of cross-dimensional viewing port merely to satisfy their curiosity about us, then that's a whole new angle to consider.

Why to serve mankind of course..

There are truly billions and billions of planets in this galaxy alone. Uncounted galaxies in every direction. Why bother traveling clear across the galaxy when from what we are learning almost every star has a planet. Water and hydrogen are everywhere.

And so often these super advanced beings fly clear across the vast distance just to crash on Earth? Or they land in the swamps to probe the butt of Bubba and Sketer. Why not land on the White House lawn, or the Imperial Palace.

We can never guess the motives of a extraterrestrial race that only exist in our fiction. It can be any motive we want since we are just doing make believe.

If they are out there, I sure hope they are the Enterprise like crew, truly here to help.

It has 2GB of RAM and 128GB of storage space.

https://www.ubergizmo.com/products/lang/en_us/devices/iphone-6s-plus/

Just to throw this up there. I had thought of it before but never had any documentation.

A particle beam with a horizontal and vertical sweep allows the drawing of a crude shape at long distance. The shape can be moved as a whole and can simulate an erratic flight or include astonishing turns of speed if the particle cannon is controlled by a motor. This motor, directed by computer, can be linked to a radar system which is locked onto the target (witness, vehicle, aeroplane) so as to follow the latter automatically. At distances greater than a few kilometres (it is assumed), the shape is somewhat limited to luminous spots or blobs, owing to the lack of sufficient focusing capability. In the course of years the technology has evolved, the shapes have been refined, and now, instead of fixed projections, animated projections have become possible. Let us remind ourselves that if there is a matrix of antennae being used for emitting radio waves or microwaves, the plasma which is produced in this way can be moved as a whole by electronic control of the emission phase or frequency of each antenna.

The first kind of high-energy particle accelerator, called a cyclotron, appeared at the beginning of the 30s in the United States. The energy which could be transmitted to protons was at that time intrinsically limited to 25 MeV. It was possible, however, to think of sending ions heavier than the protons and therefore with greater energy if with an equal speed of emission, such as isotopes of hydrogen (deuterium) or of helium (3He, 4He) which are made heavier by the presence of neutrons at their nucleus. This technology was thus also available in 1942 in spite of some reservations we have concerning the limited energy of the emitted particles and the weight and bulkiness of the required cyclotron. A few years later the synchrocyclotron, an improved version of this machine able to transmit an energy of 1,000 MeV to the particles, was unveiled in 1945, again in the United States. Nowadays the largest synchrotrons allow the attainment of an energy of 1,000 GeV (gigaelectronvolts).

https://www.ovnis-armee.org/11_plasma_technology.htm

Of course you don't, I will also leave it at that.