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Tobra 10-23-2019 05:17 AM
call the cops on the drug use, will get this group out of there

Kraftwerk 10-23-2019 06:52 AM
It's good you have a level headed lawyer. I wouldn't have so much patience, but then again nothing is as scary as a Meth Head Zombie. One thing you can depend on is they're probably not going to get a lawyer to go after you.

cairns 10-23-2019 07:13 AM
I doubt if the cops in California care about the drug use......

KFC911 10-23-2019 08:13 AM
There would be a "Methheads Inside" billboard on the lawn by this afternoon, obvious cameras everywhere, and I would absolutely move into house if I had too.

Move on...your gig is over here :(.

look 171 10-23-2019 08:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10633155)
There would be a "Methheads Inside" billboard on the lawn by this afternoon, obvious cameras everywhere, and I would absolutely move into house if I had too.

Move on...your gig is over here :(.
Would you really do that, move in or its just eh keyboard talking?

Yep, call cops

MBAtarga 10-23-2019 08:29 AM
Report it as a suspected meth house.

KFC911 10-23-2019 08:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 10633159)
Would you really do that, move in or its just eh keyboard talking?

Yep, call cops
Depends upon the tennants....seriously. Not knowing them...it might just be keyboard talk if it was a biker gang for example. But I would absolutely go on "offense".... directly or discretely...whatever it takes.

The billboard and cameras...absolutely ;)

JavaBrewer 10-23-2019 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 10633190)
Report it as a suspected meth house.
I would be worried the State would invoke some obscure law related to illegal drugs and take title to the home and put up for State auction. I believe they do that will all kinds of property taken in drug raids.

I would not step foot on the property or harass any of the occupants. Follow the legal system even if it will take time.

look 171 10-23-2019 08:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JavaBrewer (Post 10633205)
I would be worried the State would invoke some obscure law related to illegal drugs and take title to the home and put up for State auction. I believe they do that will all kinds of property taken in drug raids.

I would not step foot on the property or harass any of the occupants. Follow the legal system even if it will take time.
This.

If they are making meth, then you will never be able to sell that house unless you detox that damn thing. I offered to buy this boarded up house in a normal neighborhood several years ago. I was dumb and desperate because there are lots of money to be made on this one. I started to poke around and found that the house has been on the market off and on for the past few years but no note of anything relating to drug mfg. I got talking with a friend who's firearm instructor for the LAPD. He pull some favors and found out the house was indeed a drug house that cooked up meth. The clean up would have been far too much for any profit on that home. I walked, but still watching it from time to time and hope to buy it for land value. Maybe one day, who knows?

look 171 10-23-2019 08:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10633193)
Depends upon the tennants....seriously. Not knowing them...it might just be keyboard talk if it was a biker gang for example. But I would absolutely go on "offense".... directly or discretely...whatever it takes.

The billboard and cameras...absolutely ;)
Hell, I would never take that change of visiting, forget about moving in. I don't care if they are gangs or just a bunch of loser druggies. Not taking that change. Just think, what if they want to rob you and thing can go south real fast if you had to defend yourself? What if you hurt one of them? Out here in Fooking LALA land, you are on the hook and will ended up in jail. Hey man, I don't feel like going back to jail, getting rape.....again:)

sammyg2 10-23-2019 08:58 AM
One of the very things I've learned through wisdom over the years:

Others may have nothing to loose, while I have a great deal to loose.
That thought tends to calm me down in many instances. Like on a freeway next to someone who deserves bad stuff.




With literary licence from the inter-webs:

Quote:
The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.

Television news channels show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Support groups stage a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, "We shall overcome."

Others exclaim in an interview that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share. Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Ant Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Green Czar and given to the grasshopper.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the house he is in,which as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again. The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and once peaceful, neighborhood.

fastfredracing 10-23-2019 09:25 AM
What a fked up situation . Man, I feel for you . It will all go away eventually if you play your cards right .

RWebb 10-23-2019 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 10633215)
This.

If they are making meth, then you will never be able to sell that house unless you detox that damn thing. I offered to buy this boarded up house in a normal neighborhood several years ago. I was dumb and desperate because there are lots of money to be made on this one. I started to poke around and found that the house has been on the market off and on for the past few years but no note of anything relating to drug mfg. I got talking with a friend who's firearm instructor for the LAPD. He pull some favors and found out the house was indeed a drug house that cooked up meth. The clean up would have been far too much for any profit on that home. I walked, but still watching it from time to time and hope to buy it for land value. Maybe one day, who knows?
Exactly. A meth "cook" generates hazardous waste, and it will cost a LOT to clean up. OTOH, they may blow the house up trying to make meth. The ensuing fire will take care of an demolition costs.

sorry to say, but that is the truth

Rapewta 10-23-2019 11:02 AM
I thought about talking to the principal of the school around the corner but like someone
that posted with helpful information... My brother's house will probably be confiscated by the State.

Now... Believe me, you can't make this stuff up.
Yesterday, straight across the street from my brother's house is a two story home that is being fixed up after a major water leak upstairs. The owners have relocated for work to be done.
The contractors removing and replacing all the damage go out for 30 to 45 minutes for lunch every day.
Well, they came back yesterday from Taco Bell and all their tools were gone.
Who would know this small window of opportunity?

Yea.. someone watching from my little brother's house. Can't make it up. Crazy.
Don't know what I can do but I am going to do something soon to end this mess.

RWebb 10-23-2019 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10633413)
No one said it was a cook house. To cook is to be ambitious. Ya think these low lifes are willing to work that hard? IDK, I'm not there but I sure as hell would have a camera on this place 24/7. How to go about that is not something I know about either, but I'd find a way even if I had to buy an old van and park it across the street with a peep hole for the camera. Gotta be a way.
Look said "If..."

and yes they - or a "buddy" - might be that ambitious - it will contaminate the place even if they only start to do it, a successful cook is not required

look 171 10-23-2019 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapewta (Post 10633426)
I thought about talking to the principal of the school around the corner but like someone
that posted with helpful information... My brother's house will probably be confiscated by the State.

Now... Believe me, you can't make this stuff up.
Yesterday, straight across the street from my brother's house is a two story home that is being fixed up after a major water leak upstairs. The owners have relocated for work to be done.
The contractors removing and replacing all the damage go out for 30 to 45 minutes for lunch every day.
Well, they came back yesterday from Taco Bell and all their tools were gone.
Who would know this small window of opportunity?

Yea.. someone watching from my little brother's house. Can't make it up. Crazy.
Don't know what I can do but I am going to do something soon to end this mess.
You got my curiosity pegged. Where in Ca is this? Come places are much better then others when it comes to dealing renter's right.

Rapewta 10-23-2019 11:29 AM
Sacramento

If you are interested.... I can give you my deceased little brother's address.

look 171 10-23-2019 11:51 AM
Hell no. I don't want to go near that with your ten foot pole but I wish you the best of luck. It will be a PITA. let us know how it goes

Tobra 10-23-2019 11:55 AM
Are you dealing with this long distance, or are you local?

look 171 10-23-2019 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10633501)
We are all mostly speculating and trying to help by way of suggestion. It's up to you on how to proceed. IMHO, it's a big deal to confiscate a home due to illegal activity. To do so is to hold the property as an asset against the liability of a convicted criminal. I can't see this happening since neither you or your brother has been convicted of a crime associated with the property or are under investigation for same.

Please consult with your attorney on this matter. I still think having a third party with interest in the situation (a school within 100 yards) will result in more immediate and proper action. You are actually doing the community a favor.

Squatters may be your (future) liability for sure but they are also a liability to the community right now if they are openly breaking the law. Only real evidence is going to help and then get the advice you need.

Oh, on the theft, the contractors were just plain stupid whether the squatters were responsible or not. I know if it were my tools I'd be over there with major trouble for those asholes.
We have had our fair share of tools getting stolen over the years. Those fookers are so bold that they no longer care. My guy had his truck full of those stackable tool boxes in the back of his truck. he pulled over at a 7/11 for a cup of coffee on his way home. 2 guys, illegal looking, just climbed over his truck and lifted it over into another beat up truck while he's watching as he was paying for his coffee. He comes running out and they slowly got into their truck and drove away. If you hit them, then you go to jail. Worst, they might kick your ass. Call the cops, or its on 7/11's vid? so what, cops will not do a goddamnthing.

Last year, we were working in Hancock Park. Trucks were parked on the street in front of the house. These guys drove up, take a few pieces and drive off. I saw them from the upstairs window and started screaming. All I got was a middle finger from the thief as he drove off. Fook up deal

john70t 10-23-2019 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10633501)
We are all mostly speculating and trying to help by way of suggestion. It's up to you on how to proceed. IMHO, it's a big deal to confiscate a home due to illegal activity.

Please consult with your attorney on this matter. I still think having a third party with interest in the situation (a school within 100 yards) will result in more immediate and proper action. You are actually doing the community a favor.
As soon as the court gives you authority, and inheritance I assume, I would suggest documenting the premises with proper advanced notice.

The tax valuation at the time of transfer may be different from that after sale.

Meaning:
It could be a billion dollar house, right now, but after they wreck it the valuation will be $0.
In order to bring it back to original value and sell it, you will have to spend a billion dollars to fix it up again and return it to the previous condition.
That loss or the capital expenses required 'might' be deductible from your tax gains.


In the meantime, introduce yourself and intentions to neighbors with a small gift and see it you can bring them onto your side.
(They don't want a crack house next door either)
They might be able to provide documentation and history which will help your case.

Worth a shot...depending on the area...or if they are buying drugs from your squatters.
Do this carefully.

KFC911 10-23-2019 01:39 PM
If my 93 yr old dad lived alone next to this BS....then I go nuclear on the bastids...and that is the truth.

Best of luck Rap!

Tobra 10-23-2019 03:52 PM
Thanks to Prop 47, as long as they steal less than a thousand dollars worth of stuff at a time, it is not really a crime in Californezuela any more, hence the explosion in property crimes.

Rapewta 10-23-2019 03:55 PM
Tomorrow I am going to attempt to talk to the principal of the grammar school.
My hands are tied with waiting for the authority to be the administrator of my brother's estate.

Last week, after someone got my brothers's mattresses and other discarded stuff out on the street for county pick-up, I walked from my Father's house to my Brother's house next door.
I looked down at the residual trash that the "claw" didn't pick up and saw a small clear packet with about 1/4 of it full with a white substance. It re-inforced my belief that either meth or cocaine was used in the house. It must have been wedged somewhere in a chair or clothing.
Anyway, the Principal is going to very interested in what I found on the lawn where his/her
students would have access to it.
This might get things going faster than the Lawyers I am working with.
I really wish I kept it because I would just throw it down on the Principal's desk and that would be all it would take.

look 171 10-23-2019 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapewta (Post 10633765)
Tomorrow I am going to attempt to talk to the principal of the grammar school.
My hands are tied with waiting for the authority to be the administrator of my brother's estate.

Last week, after someone got my brothers's mattresses and other discarded stuff out on the street for county pick-up, I walked from my Father's house to my Brother's house next door.
I looked down at the residual trash that the "claw" didn't pick up and saw a small clear packet with about 1/4 of it full with a white substance. It re-inforced my belief that either meth or cocaine was used in the house. It must have been wedged somewhere in a chair or clothing.
Anyway, the Principal is going to very interested in what I found on the lawn where his/her
students would have access to it.
This might get things going faster than the Lawyers I am working with.
I really wish I kept it because I would just throw it down on the Principal's desk and that would be all it would take.
I hear certain part of Sac is pretty bad. What's the principle going to do? Call the cops. I think the cops can only do as much as they can for you and the principle. Just think of SF. School can walk right next to a crack head with needles and go on into the school. Cops doing anything about it? My suggestion is to have you, your father, all the neighbors and the school call. Get the kids parents involve and have them call. They may be able to get out there once and see what they can do? Its a mess. I feel bad for you to having to deal with this with your hands tied behind your back. Probate is going to take some time. Sometimes years.

Rapewta 10-24-2019 12:12 PM
I know this "squatter" matter will disappear from an active thread but today I got to see the Principal of the grammar school. It was good.
I told him about my concerns for my dad and the Principal explained the concerns of the school.
I got the "we will be in touch" response but that is better than not doing anything.
I got to let it go until I am the administrator of my Brother's Estate. Probably months.

fintstone 10-24-2019 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 10633523)
We have had our fair share of tools getting stolen over the years. Those fookers are so bold that they no longer care. My guy had his truck full of those stackable tool boxes in the back of his truck. he pulled over at a 7/11 for a cup of coffee on his way home. 2 guys, illegal looking, just climbed over his truck and lifted it over into another beat up truck while he's watching as he was paying for his coffee. He comes running out and they slowly got into their truck and drove away. If you hit them, then you go to jail. Worst, they might kick your ass. Call the cops, or its on 7/11's vid? so what, cops will not do a goddamnthing.

Last year, we were working in Hancock Park. Trucks were parked on the street in front of the house. These guys drove up, take a few pieces and drive off. I saw them from the upstairs window and started screaming. All I got was a middle finger from the thief as he drove off. Fook up deal
You would likely be shot for doing that here. At the very least your tires would be shot out from under your vehicle.

cairns 10-24-2019 01:31 PM
I wish you the best. Losing your brother is awfully hard I know. Losing him and dealing with this is beyond the pale. My thoughts are with you.


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