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I though 'E' was for effort - the grade given to the team who named it.

They would have been better off moving the Fusion name over to the electric car. But no, they have to mess with the Mustang brand. So unbelievably stupid.

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Originally Posted by Aerkuld (Post 10661618)

Electric cars I don't have a problem with at all. However, I detest this trend for 'small' SUV's. I'm sure people only want them because they sit higher up, so they have a better view of the road over all the other small SUV's which they couldn't see past in their sedan because the stupid arrow-slit windows are impossible to see through. They're a solution to the problem they created in the first place.
One of the reasons I hate commuting in the Porsche is that I have zero visibility beyond the car in front of me. All I see is a slab of metal and a license plate. If I'm lucky their brake lights work. If not I have to sit so far back to see anything I may as well reverse down the freeway. Maybe they'll make them even higher? I can almost see under some of them now.

I think automobiles are just going to get bigger and bigger with smaller and smaller windows

Glass is heavy compared to sheet metal so yes, they will get increasingly smaller.

These are trendy for the same reason Starbucks is. Marketing and peer pressure. Young parents wouldn't be caught dead in a minivan even though they are a far superior people mover than these.

For instance, our 2013 Rogue has less rear legroom than our 2014 Avenger. If you stack everything in the back of the Rogue that you can fit in the trunk of the Avenger, it fills the Nissan up to the headrests of the back seat. For all practical purposes it doesn't really carry much more. Now, compare that to a minivan which gets batter fuel economy and has much more people AND cargo space.

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10661710)

. . . These are trendy for the same reason Starbucks is. Marketing and peer pressure. Young parents wouldn't be caught dead in a minivan even though they are a far superior people mover than these. . .

That's why I think NASCAR should do a Minivan series. They did a truck series and minivans have so much more space for sponsorship decals. You saw it here first!

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Originally Posted by Aerkuld (Post 10661720)

That's why I think NASCAR should do a Minivan series. They did a truck series and minivans have so much more space for sponsorship decals. You saw it here first!

Change the K&N series to minivans.

I think it'd be a great fit for short tracks.

And as an aside, have you ever watched Mexican NASCAR?

You know it isn't the USA watching it, wow is it different.

Glad to see some familiar people here! I missed (some of) you guys!!

I went to Ford WHQ to see the car today. It looks like a Tesla with Mustang DNA. I hope it sells well... I may get one as a mgmt lease car if they offer it. I would really like to drive one.

Sedans are out...according to polls, so Ford destroys the Mustang hoping to keep market share and pile onto what's 'relevant'. I get it, they likely spend huge millions of $$ researching this sort of stuff. Car people are a dying breed, sacrificed on the alter of convenience. Yes this e version Mustang would slaughter on every performance metric the cars of our youth. IMO, it is a total fail on why we embraced them from the start. What distinguishing factor does this offering make to make me weigh the option of going Tesla, or XYZ?

As far as SUVS vs Sedans, I am 6' 3 " and fit in my early 911 no problem. I fit in my F150 no problem. I barely fit in our Passat and cannot fit through the window for anything, drive throughs, toll paying, etc. The high side, lower glass thing sucks balls.

Personally I would have been more excited about a real mustang form factor e car. But I see why they did this first. It is all marketing. And like it or not, everyone wants a compact SUV these days. I think Tesla is a trend setter on the huge screen, what I would have liked to see would have been a more integrated screen into the dash. Something that may even have curved portions. Putting a tablet on the center is too close to what Tesla does IMHO.

Commuting in cars with one person per vehicle is just stupid. It doesn't matter how the car is propelled. That said, if I needed a commuter in heavy traffic these days, I would definitely buy an electric car with drive assist. Quiet, relaxing, no trips to the pump. What's not to like if you creep at 20 mph in stop and go traffic for hours every day? :)

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I don’t know what it has to do with a Mustang, but it’s fugly and I won’t be buying one anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by a930rocket (Post 10662151)

i don’t know what it has to do with a mustang, but it’s fugly and i won’t be buying one anytime soon.

rotflmao!

FWIW, The Mustang boards hatred of this being called a Mustang is pretty much unanimous.

It would be fun to go back in time, and show these pictures, and explain the technology to a car guy, or any body for that matter, and hear the reactions .
Say, 1995, then 1982, then go back to 1970. ...

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10661710)

These are trendy for the same reason Starbucks is. Marketing and peer pressure. Young parents wouldn't be caught dead in a minivan even though they are a far superior people mover than these.

When we picked up our "new" 2000 BMW X5, one of my buddies said it was a mini-van. I said: "It's an SUV!". He responded: "It is a Mini-van for people in denial of having a min-van..."

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10661689)

They would have been better off moving the Fusion name over to the electric car. But no, they have to mess with the Mustang brand. So unbelievably stupid.

Maybe. Could be that they had their eye on Porsche’s electric car efforts and are trying to position the Mustang in the same universe as Porsche, rather than Prius.

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 10663844)

When we picked up our "new" 2000 BMW X5, one of my buddies said it was a mini-van. I said: "It's an SUV!". He responded: "It is a Mini-van for people in denial of having a min-van..."

Totally correct! A crossover is a minivan with less space, worse handling, and worse MPG than a minivan. But it’s not a minivan! People need to accept the fact that once you have kids you officially become uncool, might as well embrace it with a practical vehicle. Sincerely the guy who has owned four minivans and fortunately doesn’t need one anymore.:)

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10663816)

FWIW, The Mustang boards hatred of this being called a Mustang is pretty much unanimous.

They'll get over it once MachE plows over a couple of crowds

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1574480709.jpg

Looking a little bloated...

Remember the Mustang II? The car we kids lambasted it as a cross between a Pinto and a Mustang, the Poontang! They should have called this one the Mustang III...

Jack Baruth says it well below.....

The saddest part of this is that the Mustang II made money for Ford, but the Mach-E is less of a functional business proposition than a sacrifice to the Molochian deity of modern progressive and collectivist thought. Everybody at the Detroit automakers, and at all the other automakers, knows that electric cars in their current form are a complete fantastical piece of nonsense; they hoover up rare and strategic materials from supply chains that make OPEC look like your friendly neighborhood tree farm while placing massive drains on national electric grids that currently don’t appear adequate to the task of powering all the PlayStations in California. The electric emperor isn’t just naked, he’s stark-raving mad. If you’re foolish enough to point this out, you get a one-way helicopter ride out of the investor class.

Electric cars, like a surprising and dismaying number of other social trends at the moment, have almost no popular support but are nonetheless considered “inevitable” by the media/government/industrial complex. The plain fact is that they are niche products — and they will remain niche products until at least three separate miracles happen in their production, distribution, and refueling. This should inspire Ford to be as cautious as possible, but instead it is taking the one nameplate it has left with any equity—Mustang—and slapping it on what looks like exactly the same vehicle everyone else is developing.

I’ve noticed for a while now that a surprising number of people in the car business are actively ashamed of what they do for a living. The gasoline-powered automobile has done more to improve our lives than almost any other individual invention known to man, but it’s also seen as a low-class, stinking, hopelessly ignorant amusement of the proletariat by the chattering classes who can’t get enough of completely meaningless bibelot trinkets like the AirPods or Airbnb. These people cannot understand our attachment to the automobile, and since they cannot understand it, they fear it. Since they fear it, they have sworn to destroy it. No doubt the heretical aspect of calling this vehicle a “Mustang” is a feature and not a bug to a whole class of individuals who despise the American love affair with the car and who delight in anything that helps destroy that love affair. It’s not that they don’t care about our emotional involvement with Mustangs, it’s that they are actively working to tear that involvement down.

California electricity is 49 percent generated by power plants, more when other conditions occur. Its a shell game at this point. Why happens when PG&E shuts down the grid during wildfires and you cant flee your home because the car isn't charged?