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ossiblue 01-21-2020 09:53 AM

Seriously? A "rapper" that doesn't offend someone? Isn't that the whole basis of the rap genre?

I think the name is great!

Eric Coffey 01-21-2020 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 10726653)
Not offensive. Everyone needs to re-set, and get their sense of humor back.

This...times a thousand.

LWJ 01-21-2020 10:19 AM

Summary: divided as to whether it is offensive or funny. Answer: A little of both, I guess.

Maybe I don't need to bring that sort of heat to my son.

Thank you all!

And yes, my son and his buddy came up with the name.

In continuing with the processed flour theme, I have adopted "DJ Wonderbread" as my rapper name.

Is that offensive?

jorian 01-21-2020 10:25 AM

Get the chain. 20 years from he'll likely still have it and give everybody a good chuckle.

When did we all get so easily offended? Seems like a lot of people look for a reason to be offended these days. It must be very tiring.

An acquaintance of mine is like this. I usually find the offending bit funny, they don't. Pretty sure I am a lot happier.

flatbutt 01-21-2020 10:34 AM

Remember guinea? wop? guido? I do and I never cared because I always knew who and what I am.

drcoastline 01-21-2020 10:47 AM

I am not a fan of Rap music in general or the image it presents. I would suggest you attempt to reset your kids musical interest and perhaps what he perceives as cool unless he picked the name in jest. That being said I think the name is hilarious. I'm picturing your kid with his Ritz Craka name tag, his fake fur pushing his scooter around yo hood.

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wayner 01-21-2020 11:06 AM

People have a unique ability to guess about word origins. If it SOUNDS like, then it must be.

Cracker is one of those words, A whip cracks so it must be that.

I was in Africa recently and a truck was called a bukkie
I thought is must be like a bicycle saddle evolving for a horse, perhaps a bukkie evolving for a buck board wagon.

WRONG. It was derived from some entirely different dutch term, just as cracker was derived from something else

We have a band that performs up here called soul cracker.
They play motown music

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berettafan 01-21-2020 11:09 AM

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The remainder of the second clip is worth watching the entire series over. Fall off the chair hilarious.

pavulon 01-21-2020 11:10 AM

Needs a backup band —Ritz Cracka and the Spray Can Jeezus---that might be offensive to some.

RWebb 01-21-2020 11:13 AM

it's fine for Lake Oswego, even NE PDX

but a no go in Roseburg

id10t 01-21-2020 11:16 AM

OK, so some history on the term "cracker".

Quite possibly from the Florida cowboys and the cracking sound of their whips as they were herding mostly wild cows from S. Florida to the North and rail heads and points beyond. We've got "cracker cows" and "cracker horses" as well here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Cracker_Horse

LWJ 01-21-2020 11:21 AM

Ok. Who is offended? White people? If so, I'm getting it as I don't care.

Black people? I'm NOT getting it, as that seems wrong.

I suspect as it is derogatory towards white people, it is white people who would be offended.

Am I correct?

masraum 01-21-2020 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorian (Post 10726851)
Get the chain. 20 years from he'll likely still have it and give everybody a good chuckle.

When did we all get so easily offended? Seems like a lot of people look for a reason to be offended these days. It must be very tiring.

An acquaintance of mine is like this. I usually find the offending bit funny, they don't. Pretty sure I am a lot happier.

Exactly.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by drcoastline (Post 10726882)
I am not a fan of Rap music in general or the image it presents. I would suggest you attempt to reset your kids musical interest and perhaps what he perceives as cool unless he picked the name in jest.

There's nothing wrong with rap music. I don't enjoy most of it, but I do like some of it. Sure, there are elements within the rap that seem to promote or stand for what most folks would consider bad values, morals, etc... I'm sure you can find similar stuff in several genre of music. A good kid can listen to rap and still be a good kid. A bad kid could listen to just about anything and still be a bad kid.

I get what you're saying, but unless taken to an extreme (the kid trying to be a gangsta) then there's nothing wrong with it. And with the wrong teen, trying to steer them a different direction could have the effect of pushing them deeper in to what you're trying to steer them away from.

I suspect that you've painted a picture in your head without much to go on, and that picture may be very, VERY far from reality.

And while I don't think you're a bad person or anything like that, the way your post comes across is not terribly flattering to you.

masraum 01-21-2020 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWJ (Post 10726915)
Ok. Who is offended? White people? If so, I'm getting it as I don't care.

Black people? I'm NOT getting it, as that seems wrong.

I suspect as it is derogatory towards white people, it is white people who would be offended.

Am I correct?

I don't get it either. My guess is that the only folks that would be offended are the people described by a couple of other posters, people that go looking for ways to be offended. No one else should be offended.

craigster59 01-21-2020 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWJ (Post 10726915)
Ok. Who is offended? White people? If so, I'm getting it as I don't care.

Black people? I'm NOT getting it, as that seems wrong.

I suspect as it is derogatory towards white people, it is white people who would be offended.

Am I correct?

I'm not so much offended, I just think we don't need derogatory slang to become part of modern dialogue.

Fag, Retard, Gimp, Beaner, etc have negative connotations. My Son is bi racial. I don't like it when he and his friends call each other "The N Word". I've explained to him that it just degrades their conversation. We've reached a point where use of the word justifies a violent reaction in the eyes of society. That is no good

gtc 01-21-2020 11:33 AM

Not very offensive....
Also:
Not very funny.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LWJ (Post 10726636)
Background. I live in Oregon. The word I am asking about really doesn't get used here. As such, my social barometer simply doesn't register. I need more data points.

My son has a "rapper name." It is not serious, but satirical. We live in a upper income suburb. We are white. His rapper name is "Ritz Cracka."

I find this to be very funny. I want to buy him his name with large gold letters and chain for his birthday. He would think it hilarious. Certainly not something to wear regularly.

So Mrs. LWJ thinks this is offensive. And it is. But, if you are white and call yourself "Cracka" is this permissible? I think so. Especially in a vein of satire.

Comments and flames on.

Thanks!


p911dad 01-21-2020 11:38 AM

I would let it percolate quietly for a while, see if it still seems relevant in a few weeks. Then decide.

pitargue 01-21-2020 12:06 PM

No intelligent opinion to offer. But this post reminded me of this movie.

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Captain Ahab Jr 01-21-2020 12:18 PM

Not offensive to me at all, think it's quite funny

I did however grow up in the Bahamas where the N word was used as frequently as the word 'dude' and not in a racist manner

This explains it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDF4RYdf1L4&t=2s

drcoastline 01-21-2020 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 10726923)
Exactly.
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There's nothing wrong with rap music. I don't enjoy most of it, but I do like some of it. Sure, there are elements within the rap that seem to promote or stand for what most folks would consider bad values, morals, etc... I'm sure you can find similar stuff in several genre of music. A good kid can listen to rap and still be a good kid. A bad kid could listen to just about anything and still be a bad kid.

I get what you're saying, but unless taken to an extreme (the kid trying to be a gangsta) then there's nothing wrong with it. And with the wrong teen, trying to steer them a different direction could have the effect of pushing them deeper in to what you're trying to steer them away from.

I suspect that you've painted a picture in your head without much to go on, and that picture may be very, VERY far from reality.

And while I don't think you're a bad person or anything like that, the way your post comes across is not terribly flattering to you.

Fixed it for you.

There's not much good with the majority of rap music. I don't enjoy most of it, but I do like some of it. Sure, there are some elements within the rap that are OK but most of it promotes or stands for what most folks would consider bad values, morals, promiscuity, Illegal activities, violence toward women and police and violence in general. I'm sure you can find similar stuff in several genre of music. A good kid can listen to rap and still be a good kid. A bad kid could listen to just about anything and still be a bad kid.

I get what you're saying, but the kid trying to be a wanna be gangsta should be taught that, that type of behavior is wrong, derogatory and really shouldn’t be promoted, and there is plenty wrong with most of it. And with the wrong teen, trying to steer them a different direction could have the effect of pushing them deeper in to what you're trying to steer them away from.

I suspect that you've painted a picture in your head of who I am without much to go on and became offended, and that picture is very, VERY far from reality. After all I did not grow up in an upper middle class white privileged family or neighborhood with a father willing to make excuses for me and willing to justify my behavior.

And while I don't think you're a bad person or anything like that, the way your post comes across is not terribly flattering to you.


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