Drove a Tesla and I'm a bit sad.

[island911]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Below from the Institute for Energy Research.....

Despite Large Investment in Renewable Energy, Coal Dominates Worldwide Generation

IER
4 months ago
Despite renewable energy investment more than tripling globally during the current decade compared to the last 10-year period, most of the power delivered to the world’s electric grids during the recent decade was from coal. In fact, coal is still the world’s largest source of electricity, providing 38% of world electrical generation in 2018, about the same as 1997.

others seem to conflate energy with electrical grid.

Clearly oil is used for largely for rolling and shipping power.

For electrical grid, coal is the likely fuel. ergo, many Teslas are burning coal.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by island911

others seem to conflate energy with electrical grid.

Clearly oil is used for largely for rolling and shipping power.

For electrical grid, coal is the likely fuel. ergo, many Teslas are burning coal.

Coal is 38% of worldwide electrical generation.(per his link)

I prefer to use EIA though their data will be very close to the numbers he is showing.

[sc_rufctr]

[Sooner or later]

According to EIA you are more likely to power your Tesla in the US with natural gas produced electricity.

[Sooner or later]

Actually the most likely way you get power is a local mix. In Oregon and Washington you will get a mix with hydro power being the largest contributor by far.

[island911]

yeah, the upper left coast is an anomaly.

Across the country the mix is primarily hydrocarbons burned ... solid, liquid, gas... But at least the Tesla battery metals are also mined.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by rcooled

Much the same reaction that I had after driving my friend's dual-motor Model 3.

Here's a well-presented evaluation of the Tesla Model 3 by an aerospace engineer and real ICE enthusiast.

Probably the best video on the subject on YouTube. No fan boy BS... Well worth the time.

(The auto pilot had two issues during the test drive phase)

[rusnak]

^ So wrong in so many ways. The tech information is excellent, however.

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by rusnak

^ So wrong in so many ways. The tech information is excellent, however.

Everything I heard her talk about seemed correct to me, how is it "so wrong" ?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Never occurred to me to try and make them sweeter.


Unless of course, he is not wrong.

More important than not having nice things is not having nice people. It is like the great philosopher, Patrick Swayze, said in the classic motion picture, "Roadhouse"

Be nice.

Never forget, mean people suck.

It's not about making them sweeter, sugar does that. Honey adds a complementary flavor profile.

I'm just tired of the Web amplifying and normalizing the voice of stupid people. Idiocracy isn't a movie, it's our future.

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by island911

others seem to conflate energy with electrical grid.

Clearly oil is used for largely for rolling and shipping power.

For electrical grid, coal is the likely fuel. ergo, many Teslas are burning coal.

Careful, using logic and common sense get you labeled the idiot, scolded by wokesters....

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

Everything I heard her talk about seemed correct to me, how is it "so wrong" ?

I think "rusnak" was referring to the auto pilot. It got confused twice during the drive portion of the video.
It seems to have issues negotiating turn offs. The driver had to take control quickly to correct the issues.

[RWebb]

what about... coal oil ??

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by RWebb

what about... coal oil ??

Is that like a molten chocolate cake?

[wdfifteen]

Thanks for that video, it was very interesting. I wish I could afford a 3, but I'll get by with my lowly Volt. It's no Tesla, but the tire smoke generator does work.

A couple of comments: That discussion of the brakes made me wonder if it's something that's been a problem or just conjecture. She says the reneg keeps the brakes from working so the pads seize up. The regen on my car stops working at about 5 mph, so the brakes are used and the pads move every time you come to a full stop, which is at least once every time you drive the car.

She said, “I think you are going to be buying this because it’s an electric car and because it’s interesting.”
At least somebody gets it.

The auto pilot demonstration confirmed my thinking on it. It's not ready yet, and the video made me wonder why anyone would pay $7000 for an option that only kinda works.

[McLovin]

I’ve done thousands of highway miles on full autopilot. It’s worked, to my mind, flawlessly.
There are some situations where you have to take control, but it’s common sense.
For example, in very heavy traffic you may need to take over to exit the freeway, because it simply isn’t going to be aggressive enough to cut cars off.
But IMO it works on the highway very impressively, and I’d say I’ve done 99.9% of highway miles on full Autopilot. It’s way better than “kinda works.”
With the brakes, maybe it’s a setting thing, but mine will come to a complete stop without touching the brakes.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by McLovin

With the brakes, maybe it’s a setting thing, but mine will come to a complete stop without touching the brakes.

Does the Tesla have a manual regen control? There is apparently different technology between the Volt and the Tesla on the brakes. If having the pads seize up is an issue, it seems like programing the regen to use the brakes more would be an easy fix.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Actually the most likely way you get power is a local mix. In Oregon and Washington you will get a mix with hydro power being the largest contributor by far.

Hydro power is a relic of the previous century which should be turned off.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

Everything I heard her talk about seemed correct to me, how is it "so wrong" ?

What's wrong about it is that they created a YouTube channel that is respectable from a technical point of view. I have watched several of their videos and thought they were pretty good. But then they go do this Tesla video and can't resist the political commentary thrown in there.

As Patrick pointed out: "She said, “I think you are going to be buying this because it’s an electric car and because it’s interesting.”
At least somebody gets it."

That is what's wrong IMO.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Below from the Institute for Energy Research.....

Despite Large Investment in Renewable Energy, Coal Dominates Worldwide Generation

IER
4 months ago
Despite renewable energy investment more than tripling globally during the current decade compared to the last 10-year period, most of the power delivered to the world’s electric grids during the recent decade was from coal. In fact, coal is still the world’s largest source of electricity, providing 38% of world electrical generation in 2018, about the same as 1997.

Coal generated electricity is not going down anytime soon.