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The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them: President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.) Vice President Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America. Secretary of State Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77 Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). (Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C. ************************************************ So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background: Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal Career: Acting Julia Roberts: Completed high school Career: Acting Sean Penn: Completed High school Career: Acting Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting Ed Asner: Completed High school Career: Acting George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky Career: Acting Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School Career: Acting Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School Career: Acting Mike Farrell: Completed High school Career: Acting Janeane Garofalo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting ***********************************************
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While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we
should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders. These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House. Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities. So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout? The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom! It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them. Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.
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While I won't defend the educational background (or lack thereof) for the hollywood set, Bush's background while impressive on paper, is in reality rather weak. His performance at school was average at best, and he would not have gotten into any of those schools if he had not been George's son. His record as a business man is laughable, having been a failure at most things he tried. His "military" record was the result of daddy getting him a cush assignment to keep him out of any real conflict.
He has however been a sucessful politician. He does have some skills. But that's about it. As far as the other people, again, things can sound great on paper, but a lot of the things cited are the result of "who you know" and have almost nothing to do with real skills. I've worked in academia for a lot of years now, and for the last three had gained experience in the hollywood way of doing things, along with how the money set works. There is a lot of back slapping and helping your buddy, and very little critical analysis and it is far from a meritocracy. Again, I'm not disagreeing with all your points, but don't be overly impressed by what connected people are able to "accomplish". A fair amount of it is smoke and mirrors... |
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I think G. Bush's true gift is that he places very good people around himself. Just look at them and then I think we start to see the big picture. Just so you know I'm a big Condoleezza Rice fan!!
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rcecale,
You really think Sean Penn found out "the real deal"? The "human shields" found out the real deal, thats why most of them came home. And what does the Pres not having gone to Iraq have to do with anything? The UN has been there for 12 years and couldn't find the nose on thier face.
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Relax, buddy! I was being sarcastic. SHEESH! Personally, I am so sick and tired of all these celebrities with their "I know best" attitude. Actually, I agree whole-heartedly with EagleKeeper. Us military types tend to stick together! ![]() Randy
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I was so pissed when I read your post I just jumped on it.
Sorry. I say "America, love it or leave it"
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Jason, Just to be fair, you would have to admit that Al Gore could drink a quart of tequila plus a six-pack and still beat Bush in Jeopardy like a red-headed stepchild.
![]() ![]() PLUS he's a real Viet Nam vet, didn't take a powder in the Natl. Guard like he could have w/ his powerful dad. Just keep it fair, buddy. Take care,
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Nostatic makes a good point: education does not give the full story with the cabinet. I've heard Bush was a C student and his highest achievement in college was ordering keggers for his fraternity's weekend parties. For all the education Rumsfeld met with at Princeton, he certainly missed the class on public speaking and tact.
Hollywood is famous for people dropping out of college. But Hollywood has its share of performers who are also very academic . Jodie Foster went to Yale and studied, I believe, comparative literature. James Woods went to MIT and was a math/engineering major. Tommy Lee Jones went to Yale (though I can't recall what he studied). I think Arnold Schwarzenneger has an MBA from University of Missourri. In Hollywood, there's a lot of talent that is very highly educated, and in DC, a lot of so-called highly educated that has absolutely no talent. For my sheepskin, Rice and Powell are the real deal. I don't think either had many connections to pave their way for them.
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And BTW, GWB is looking smarter all the time as the war goes well, but he is definitely 'learning on the job'. It's amazing that by all accounts, he never took much interest in world affairs for a guy whose father was POTUS.
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Can't argue about the smarts of Powell and Rice, I wish that Powell was president. I think, (as do many people smarter than me), that he has made some pretty big personal compromises to be on the current team. But he is a military man through and through, so being a team player once you sign on, (loyalty), is at the core of his very being.
My brother knows Rice quite well from Stanford, and although they are polar opposites politically, they were good friends and he says that she is really smart. ![]()
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![]() I can't believe you're extreme enough to slight GW for being in the Air National Gaurd . .. this was back before GHW Bush was anyone. And yet, Al Gore was the "senetors son" . . .wasn't there a song about that then? . .. i aint no senetors son ... So GW was given an multi-million $ piece of equipment to pilot by the Air National Guard. Contrast that with what the "senetors son" was trusted with . . a pad of paper! I suppose it was because, Al showed early as a child, his affection for all things paper related. . . Though I believe the Army forced this "Army journalist"/"senetors son" to wear gloves so he wouldn't cut himself. YeeeAh . . Al Gore is a real winner . .or is it winer? ![]()
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BG, During the Viet Nam war, the National Guard was a legal way to stay out of the war. Wasn't real easy to get into in those days. Helped to have some connections. Maybe you're not old enough to be aware of this.
As for your challenge, tough guy, I'd gladly tell Bush what I think of him, given the chance. ![]()
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I'm sure those protesters don't appreciate a soldier until the enemies at the gate!
Damm chicken-sh__s. I'm retired now but I'd do it again if I had to. Big Jake ![]() ![]() ![]()
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