What changes have you noticed in day to day life since the onset of the Kung Flu?

[71T Targa]

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Now closed for much of April...

[sammyg2]

I figure docs should know something about it.

As a physician, I’ve posted on the coronavirus two times this past week to try to answer the bevy of patient and family questions I have received. My second post was shared very widely and generated lots of comments from many freaked out and frightened people. Hence, I’ve taken the biggest misconceptions I have seen in those comments and in the media and reviewed them with this post.

Please Don’t Panic!
I have to say, that after being a doctor for 31 years, I’m not sure that I’ve seen anything quite like this level of abject panic regarding a respiratory virus in my career. While this is a bad bug that can overwhelm health systems and should be taken seriously, the misinformation is spinning out of control. Again, if you focus on the actual hard data, it paints a different picture.

As of this morning, we have just over 4,000 deaths worldwide. Again, the average seasonal flu kills between 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year (15). The CDC just announced that the US had 20,000 flu deaths this season with 350,000 hospitalizations (16). Today, on average, 48,219 people will die of cardiac disease (17).

So why the abject panic? It’s being fueled by some in the media. As I’ll show below, when you have trusted names like Sanjay Gupta fanning the flames of fear rather than correctly interpreting data, you can see why people are so freaked.

My Top Coronavirus Misconceptions List

The mortality rate of coronavirus is 2-3%!
This has been reported many times. Most recently by Sanjay Gupta who should know better. At a White House press conference, Dr. Sanjay Gupta said, “the flu has a fatality rate of about 0.1%, this has a fatality rate of somewhere between 2-3%…”



COVID-19 DOES NOT have a 2-3% mortality rate. That number comes from the Chinese Wuhan data. The issue is that that number represents mostly sick people tested for the disease versus total deaths. Regrettably, that’s NOT how a mortality rate is calculated, which uses all that have contracted the disease as the denominator. See my diagram below:

The outside of Wuhan mortality, where there was wider testing of most that had contracted the disease, was 0.4% based on a report published by the Chinese CDC (7). Mortality on the Princess Cruise outside Japan (the only place so far where you can be sure that you tested all exposed in a closed environment), was 0.85% and only those over 70 died (8). In South Korea, which has tested more than 100,000 people, the case fatality rate is 0.65% (18). So what’s the real mortality rate? Under 1%.

The mortality rate for influenza varies by type and immunization effectiveness, but mortality among those 75 years and older is much higher than for the young and is over 1% (9). So we have mortality rates that are pretty close here. Hence, Sanjay Gupta wasn’t reporting accurate information.

The statement that in the elderly the coronavirus is about as deadly as the flu is more accurate. You could also say that it’s harder to treat than the flu and that more middle-aged people need intensive care and that these needs can quickly overwhelm health systems. However, Sanjay should know that the 2-3% number he threw out is likely not accurate and the reasons why it’s likely inflated.

Here are some media outlets I would like to congratulate as they have actually reported on the evolving science rather than hype:

SLATE-COVID-19 Isn’t As Deadly As We Think
HumanProgress-The Misleading Arithmetic of COVID-19 Death Rates
NPR-Why The Death Rate From Coronavirus Is Plunging In China
ABC News-Early mortality rates for coronavirus are likely misleading, experts say. Children and adults have done extremely well in terms of recovery, say doctors.


Coronavirus is aerosolized and the flu is not, hence the spread of this disease is much more than the flu.
This is nonsense. The flu virus is also aerosolized which is the primary way it’s spread (1).

Coronavirus survives MUCH longer on surfaces than the flu virus, which is up to 9 days on plastic!
This rumor was started by the Washington Post and is also not accurate as written (10).

First, for comparison, the flu virus survives on hard surfaces for about 9 hours and several hours in fluid droplets (aerosols) in the air, with low temperatures increasing the survival of the virus in these droplets (2). Many respiratory viruses die off as the temperature goes up. This is why the flu season is in the winter.

At this point, according to the CDC, there is no evidence that Coronavirus is spread by surface contact (3). The Washington Post article was based on a statement in the conclusion of a research study that found that on most surfaces, other coronaviruses (NOT the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19) survived various lengths of time from hours to days (11). The study that reported that a coronavirus could survive for 9 days on plastic really didn’t say that exactly (5). While that research showed that a different coronavirus survived for 9 days on plastic, by 48 hours the viral load was 10,000 times less! So “survives” is a relative term. In fact, another study included in the same review paper showed a similar coronavirus only practically survived for 2-3 days on plastic, which fits with the fact that the viral load is falling steeply after that time (4).

So how “spreadable” is this virus? The data from the Princess Cruise (Japan), a closed environment where you have almost 4,000 people that live in one space for 2 weeks and infected people touch all sorts of shared surfaces, shows that only about 20% of the people on the ship were positive (8). Given that this one spreads through water droplets from coughing and cruise ships are known to spread respiratory viruses, that spread is pretty typical for the average flu or cold virus.

On the other side of that argument is a new study out of China which has not been peer-reviewed yet (19). This suggests that the coronavirus is more contagious than the flu. It will be interesting to see how this paper fares in the stringent peer-review process. However, it’s critical to look at data from both sides of this argument.

The coronavirus will ramp up in the US over the next few months and by summer we will become China, a country on lockdown with millions of cases and our health system will crash.
Blogger Liz Specht gets a raspberry for getting this one out there. She reported that by May we would have some 5.4 million cases in the U.S. using her pandemic math. The problem is that Liz isn’t a physician, so she seems to have missed this graph put out by the CDC (12):


The peak months of U.S. viral flu transmission (which this virus will follow as well as it’s primary spread is aerosolization through coughing) are December through March. This is because the survival of viruses in water droplets falls off the map when the temps heat up. Note that in the 36 years graphed here (1982-2018) we have never had a flu peak in April or May. The graph for other viruses looks similar.

Hence, while the spread of the virus may well be somewhat contained by testing and quarantine which is unprecedented in the US at this scale, mother nature will be the rate-limiting step in the U.S. pandemic math since warmer weather reduces viral spread.

Forget about China, the real disaster is Italy!
It’s hard to get much data on Italy at this point. I’ve tried translating press releases put out by the Italian Health Ministry, but they don’t have all that much information. We do know that Italy as of this writing has 9,172 coronavirus cases and has had 463 deaths. So while it’s true that the numbers look awful and their health system is seriously overtaxed (the reports are that they are running low on critical ventilators), an interesting bit of information was reported by the BBC. The Italian health ministry says that the average age of death for Coronavirus is 81.4 years (6). Why is that number VERY important? It means that the data out of Italy so far is following the information we have from the Princess Cruise ship. The mortality is clustering around the very old, which is the same for the flu (13).

If you have cold symptoms, you probably have the coronavirus!
I heard this one on a local radio station. The main symptoms of COVID-19 are not the sniffles or a runny nose or sneezing. The main symptoms are a fever and a dry cough with or without shortness of breath (14).


The coronavirus misinformation machine continues to spin out of control. You can’t turn around without hearing a factoid from usually credible sources that can be easily debunked. So listen to the CDC and get yourself tested if you have symptoms. Observe strict quarantine protocols if you test positive. If you’re sick and unsure, just stay home. In the meantime, wash your hands and take a deep breath!

https://regenexx.com/blog/coronavirus-myths-debunked/?fbclid=IwAR3M3MDpqTAAfIQuNuHrEOM9tkEwAWHEdV9VW_Y8 rig993pkabstHTb3s-0

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I figure docs should know something about it.



https://regenexx.com/blog/coronavirus-myths-debunked/?fbclid=IwAR3M3MDpqTAAfIQuNuHrEOM9tkEwAWHEdV9VW_Y8 rig993pkabstHTb3s-0

LOL!

[RWebb]

Weekly BoozeFest Cancelled!! NOW it's serious...

Luckily I have a 10-20 year stockpile...

[RANDY P]

Roads in Az seem less crowded, and my entire office building is working from home.

Long-term effects A bunch of baristas and deli workers are about to miss rent- until after the election cycle, at least.

Just waiting for the other shoe to drop- businesses go to survival mode which means no new projects due to possible slowing down of economy.

Thanks, MSM.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

LOL!

Here's another

Southern California native Dr. Drew Pinsky wants people to calm down when it comes to the coronavirus hysteria.
...
“It’s a moderate flu season. If you put corona and the flu together, it’s still a moderate flu season,” said Pinksy. “Wash your hands, take precautions, do what you’re supposed to do. Get your flu shot. Having been a physician for almost 40 years, there’s certain things I just know.

When I saw excessive corona coverage in the press, I had to respond. The weird part on social media is that people are angry with me for trying to get them to see reality and calm down. I’m trying to help.”

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/06/dr-drew-coronavirus-interview/

If you listened to the interview, he brought up that 3.4% often quoted but misleading mortality rate as an example.

[RSBob]

Family friend has it, physical therapist at THE Kirkland Wa nursing home, and now husband has it. She has been to the ER yesterday due to breathing difficulties but was able to return home that evening. She was very sick but appears to turning the corner. Guess she is 52.

Total BS that people of Asian descent are more prone to contracting the virus. Don’t know who makes up this racist crap, or why they believe it, but they need to get a better source.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by pmax

Here's another

Pinsky and Adam Carolla doing Loveline was fantastic 25 years ago. Great memories.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by RSBob

Family friend has it, physical therapist at THE Kirkland Wa nursing home, and now husband has it. She has been to the ER yesterday due to breathing difficulties but was able to return home that evening. She was very sick but appears to turning the corner.

Total BS that people of Asian descent are more prone to contracting the virus. Don’t know who makes up this racist crap, or why they believe it, but they need to get a better source.

Without even fact-checking that one, it didn’t pass the smell test. Maybe more Asians in Asian countries have it? Total BS.

I’m sorry to hear about your friends and hope they make a quick recovery.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by RSBob

Total BS that people of Asian descent are more prone to contracting the virus. Don’t know who makes up this racist crap, or why they believe it, but they need to get a better source.

Don't mind him, he posts anti-Semitic and misogynistic stuff too. Just an alt-righter.

[speeder]

With all due respect for Drew Pinsky, I think that I’ll listen to the infectious diseases specialists. Completely coincidental but I met and became friends w probably the top infectious disease specialist in the world a few months ago. I am not going to bother him w CV questions, he’s a busy guy in the best of times.

[pmax]

^^^ Truth is somewhere in the middle ground.

[mattdavis11]

Traffic in Austin Texas is worse than Chicago. O'hare wasn't as busy at Terminal 1 than it was when we arrived Tuesday. Dingbats in this town are buying out all the shyte tickets, hand sanitizer and paper towels.

[pmax]

"So I need you guys to calm down."

Coronavirus tensions erupt among shoppers at Brooklyn Costco

https://abc7ny.com/6007112/

[p911dad]

I went to my local auto supply today for some carb cleaner and lo and behold they had a rack of latex and non-latex gloves, all sizes and ranged from 10 packs to 100 packs. If you are looking for these, your auto store might be a useful source. No panic buying in Charlotte yet, grocery stores well stocked, my Publix market even had BOGO on 6 packs of Charmin. Deer Park spring water too.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by pmax

"So I need you guys to calm down."

Have I mentioned that people have lost their f'ing minds?

[tabs]

Reality has nothing to do with it...it is all the perception of an already anxious herd that has been spooked...it has created a self fulfilling reality of all its own...

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Don't mind him, he posts....... misogynistic stuff too.

Not only that, he's kinda non-trusting of women.

[Zeke]

Long Beach Grand Prix cancelled. They say they hope for another date but that ain't gonna happen. It takes from the time the checker falls to the next date to do everything necessary to run the race. If they do get another date it will be chaos.

https://gplb.com/statement-from-the-grand-prix-association-of-long-beach-regarding-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/

[Baz]

I haven't noticed anything different here.

I have started thinking about supplies myself and tonight picked up an extra jar of peanut butter, large bag of rice, pack of mac and cheese boxes, and some extra cans of tuna.

You have to think that we will experience 'some' shortages here of household goods but right now it's hard to know what one should bone up on except some of the food items that could get you through just in case.

I haven't seen any panicking at all around here.