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legion 04-02-2020 11:44 AM

Introverts
 
So my post in the F1 thread got me thinking...

I feel like introverts are misunderstood. I feel like we're in the minority in society. Because of the way we function, we are often taken as rude or socially awkward (and we can be).

For me, being an introvert means that I "recharge" in my alone time, and I need a lot of it to function. I become stressed out when I don't have enough alone, quiet time. For the past two years, I've sat in a large, noisy conference room at work. My stress levels have risen steadily to the point that I am actively seeking another position. Prior to this, I had a cubicle in a quiet corner, and had virtually no stress from work. When I have quiet, I can get into "the zone" and maintain very high productivity for hours. I can get done about 4 times the work of coworkers when I'm in the zone. I leave work feeling fresh and accomplished. When I'm in a noisy environment, I'm constantly distracted from what I'm doing, find myself reading the same sentence for 30 minutes and making frequent mistakes. My frustration with myself and the environment steadily increase over time. Being on lockdown, my stress levels have dropped to near zero as I'm back in a quiet work environment.

After work, I usually go to the gym and have a quiet, two hour workout. It's not unusual for me not to speak to another person the entire time I'm at the gym. I'll usually throw on an hour-long drama while I spend the first hour doing cardio and just get absorbed in the story while I forget about myself for awhile.

Socially, I've realized some things about myself. Namely, I'm not a social person. The last time I had a birthday party was when I was 13. I don't even tell other people when my birthday is because I don't really want to be bothered all day about it. In college, I realized that I liked staying in and hanging out with my roommates more than going out to bars. I check Facebook like once a month, and honestly read like 5 posts before I'm done. I don't have any close friends. Part of it is that I don't trust other people, and part of it is that that I seem to like other people less the more I know about them. If for some reason I find myself at a party, I'm probably going to find a quiet corner to pass the time until I can leave.

In my 20's, I used to find myself backing out of social engagements last minute sometimes. Even things I'd been looking forward to for weeks or months and made preparations to do, I'd just decide not to go to at the last minute. I've come to realize that I can simulate being social and being and extrovert, but it takes a lot of energy out of me and I need some extra alone time to recharge if I do it. I now understand that I'd back away from social engagements (and make an excuse about suddenly being sick or something to cover if I had to) because I'd just run out of energy for being social. I don't have social anxiety, it's just something I don't enjoy and have a limited capacity for. I also don't go to concerts, bars, or big sporting events (with the occasional exception for racing) as I just don't like crowds and paying a lot of money to be in a large crowd is a double negative as far as I'm concerned.

I know I've rudely bailed on people or made transparently lame excuses in the past. I know that some people have taken offense. It honestly doesn't bother me much. It's not that I want to hurt other people's feelings, but sometimes its the only way to stop the repeated invites to things I have no intention of doing. Many extroverts assume that everyone else is like them and craves attention and being around tons of other people.

I will say that this whole lockdown thing doesn't bother me much. Sure, I have a major problem with the idea that government thinks it has the right to restrict my rights in such a way without due process. But I don't really miss physically going to work and having to force pleasant interactions with coworkers when I'm not always up for it. I like that the roads and stores are empty. I like that there is zero expectation that I show up for your social thing.

Paul T 04-02-2020 12:06 PM

I am 100% like you in the work environment. I need virtually total silence and when I'm in the right conditions, I outwork anyone and am incredibly productive. Well, was....I'm now retired. Any noise/convos etc., around me and I just can't concentrate. Maybe I'm just too nosy about what everyone else is talking about, I don't know. My wife is the complete opposite - we are fortunate enough to have separate offices at home since we work very differently.

Socially though, I'm a bit different. My initial reaction to most invites/events is that I don't want to go, but I find if I force myself that I always have fun and am glad I went. I go to bars and grab a beer or two just about every weekend (until recently!) and I almost always will talk up someone. So, I guess I'm not that much of an introvert socially, but work wise, very much so. All that said, this isolation hasn't bothered me really at all, but I do miss those weekend bar outings! I wonder if more people will want to work from home after this is all over. I used to love working from home - best of both worlds and I always got more done (and worked longer) than if I was physically in the office. I've always value time alone and it's never really bothered me. I lived alone for a lot of years, never felt lonely.

LEAKYSEALS951 04-02-2020 12:09 PM

Introvert here as well.

Other than the fact there is a pandemic going on, and people are suffering/dying physically and financially-

I've enjoyed the recent changes. Granted, it would be nice if the restaurants could be open, but overall (current catastrophe unfolding), I'm in a much better mood. Socially, it would be nice to see certain people a little more, but professionally, really glad to have a break from the distractions and effort it takes to do things in a collective.

edit- I will say, the fact that it's springtime is helping a bit. If this was unfolding in late fall/early winter, I might be a little more poopy....naw...I'd still relish it. :)

Evans, Marv 04-02-2020 12:28 PM

I'm sort of like you guys. When I'd spend three to four months at a ranger station in the mountains, people would ask me if I got lonely. I never was and have always gotten along fine in solitude. But I seem to have a switch that turns on when I get into a situation (like teaching, giving workshops, sales, etc., etc.) in a work or social environment where I become interactive and productive - even dynamic. Of course this mostly refers to when I was working. That occurred to me one time when someone I was working with doing workshops was talking to some others about being animated. He described how he'd seen me "flip a switch" walking into the room with a group of waiting people. When not in that kind of environment, I'm pretty solitary.

flipper35 04-02-2020 12:30 PM

We could be friends as I am mostly the same way. I don't have to have silence. Music or TV in the background works for me, but people drive me crazy. I hate going to the work potlucks or meetings in the conference room. Especially when you have "people" persons boistering about before the meeting. I got into IT since computers are pretty black and white, but now am n a position I have to interact with people. I can't stand to eat at places like Texas Roadhouse or Applebee's (no loss here) with the loud music and nothing to absorb the sound.

Our CEO once told us in one of our meetings to be ourselves. I told her I disagreed with that because we have to be professional and nice to each other. I told her that none of them should know which ones drive me to want to drive a pike through my skull and which people I can tolerate. She saw my point. I get along least with those outgoing, loud people. Especially those that want to be everyone's friend. I hate those people.

Alas, I am not allowed to bring a cattle prod to work. Fortunately, I have an office off in the corner away from everyone.

All that said, with one or two people I am good. I have few good friends, maybe a couple accomplices but many associates. LAN parties is one of the few gatherings I tolerate, but that is because I can virtually kill them.

fastfredracing 04-02-2020 12:36 PM

I am so much like that ..
I was just going to post, that I am actually somewhat enjoying this down time. I have not really been letting anybody into the building, and working less hours. My interactions with people other than my family has been minimal .
It is going to be hard to go back to the way it was when this is all over, and you know what? I may not.
Im the same at work. I am superman if I am just left alone to do what I need to do, and I usually get into the groove and enjoy it . As soon as people start stopping in , asking questions and wanting to hang out, I feel my internal frustration build to a crescendo.
I've probably come off like a dk a few times in my life. Sometimes, when people are generally being friendly, I just want them out of my space . Some people are downright invasive . I battle them. I always have .
My kid has a diagnosis as Autistic, and I see a lot of me in him . I don't know if it is related or not .
I am a friendly guy, and love to shoot the breeze, but there are times when I honest to goodness, just cannot deal with people . I become this guy if it is forced on me and Im not in the right place in my head .http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1585859764.jpg
Glad to hear there are others , and maybe I am not a spaz?

oldE 04-02-2020 12:39 PM

I get a kick out of reading these. I too prefer peace and quiet, but found I have a "switch "I can flip when I am performing.
I have probably had fewer than a half dozen good friends in my life. I'm okay with that.

Best
Les

flipper35 04-02-2020 12:55 PM

I can talk in front of people or present at meetings. I am paid to do that. I am paid to be professional with our staff as well. With music, I love jam sessions but hate playing in front of people. Ask my daughter though (who plays bass with me) I am NOT an introvert on stage. If I have to be up there I am at least going to have some fun.

KFC911 04-02-2020 01:05 PM

LOL Chris....you're a freakin' extrovert compared to me ;). In fact, all of you guys are :D

I'm good with that...

JavaBrewer 04-02-2020 02:36 PM

I am an introvert by nature. Fun thread. I overcame my affliction by marrying a redhead. It's been a rollercoaster for sure. Would not change anything!

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wildthing 04-02-2020 04:52 PM

I’m an introvert. I prefer online forums. If we agree to meet I will be the quiet one.

wdfifteen 04-02-2020 05:29 PM

Another introvert here. It’s not that I don’t have things to say, I just don’t like socializing. Ten minutes into a conversation and I’m wondering if it will ever end. I don’t find most people endlessly fascinating, plus I’m not comfortable at conversing. All my life I’ve been a writer. My method is to throw something on the page and come back and develop it and edit it. So in conversation half of my attention is on what I’m saying now and half is busy editing what I just said. Get a couple of martinis in me and I can make a real fool of myself.
MrWD is the opposite. She has never met anyone that she can’t start an hour long conversation with and learn something interesting about them. Watching her I realize how much I miss out on by not being curious about strangers.

A930Rocket 04-02-2020 05:56 PM

Without introverts, there would be no extroverts.

While thinking it would be nice to be an extrovert, I enjoy the quiet. I rarely watch tv and if I do, it’s the Science Channel, History channel, or a car channel. I would just rather read and keep to myself.

At work, building homes, I interact all day with multiple people..subs, vendors, agents, etc. I get home and just want piece and quiet.

RSBob 04-02-2020 06:26 PM

Boy can I ever relate to 95% of the comments above. For most of my life I enjoyed being with people but hated making small talk. Was afraid of being judged by saying something stupid, so usually kept my mouth shut (- read, self conscious and esteem issues.)

In corporate life, I took public speaking and presentation skills classes which forced me out of my shell. For three years I was a corporate software trainer, flying up and down the west coast teaching all day classes for classes up to 60 people. Teaching taught me that I can keep people engaged, listening and laughing and all I had to do was relax and be myself. That was a super confidence builder. Later I was doing project management with teams up 100 for months on end. Later I worked as a technical requirements analyst, working with internal departments and developers and testers to create programmatic solutions by leading multi-team conference calls.

To make a way too long story shorter, I was able to force myself out of my shell and now am comfortable in groups, dinner parties and with chatting with perfect strangers. But deep down inside, I still feel the insecurity until I get into the social situation and get my footing and then it evaporates. So take heart fellow introvert, shy folks, if you want, it can be overcome.

ckelly78z 04-02-2020 06:36 PM

I tend not to talk in a group, but would rather listen. I NEED my quiet/alone time, and recharge by heading to my shop in the barn...many times, I can spend hours out there without turning the radio, or TV on, just wrenching on a tractor, or just cleaning/organizing. I keep lists of projects I have to do, and feel a sense of accomplishment when I can scratch on off my list.

I have a prototype job for an automotive suspension supplier, and have a big work machine shop, that I am the only one present most of the time. I can go hours without speaking to anyone, without guilt, and never gush on about my private life like so many others do.

Bob Kontak 04-02-2020 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JavaBrewer (Post 10808638)
I overcame my affliction by marrying a redhead.

Pretty and a killer smile. Lucky you.

Rollercoaster. Heh heh. I won't even ask.

gacook 04-02-2020 06:54 PM

OP describes me to a "T." Wife is just starting to understand. "Fun" part for me is I'm in charge of a 20+ person team, so HAVE to interact all day long, solve their problems, be generally positive, happy, and motivate them to push themselves harder. At the end of every day, I am utterly exhausted. Before this job, I was in instructor, teaching certain types of equipment. Most of my adult life, I've had to be an extrovert in order to succeed in my career field. Still, usually only happy alone or with my very closest 1 or 2 friends.

RKDinOKC 04-02-2020 11:07 PM

Went to a management class. Took a short test. Instructor gave a value for each answer. Had everyone with a lower score go stand on his left side. It was about 20% of the class. Then had everyone with a high score stand on his right side, 20%.

Had everyone notice the left side had unconsciously arranged themselves from short to tall and were attentively paying attention to the instructor. On the right side they were just bunched up talking and not paying attention. The left side was the introverts, on his right were extroverts and were talking amongst themselves to find whom was making the most money.

I've always thought is was hilarious.

Geronimo '74 04-02-2020 11:10 PM

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Any introverts know their Meyers Briggs personality type?

IROC 04-03-2020 03:03 AM

I'm the same way. This is almost hard to admit, but I don't have any close friends. None. I don't really know anybody that I feel I could call and and say, "Hey can you come over, I need some help with something.". There are probably plenty of people who would, I just couldn't bring myself to call them. :confused:

I was extremely shy as a child. I sort of grew out of that (or learned to deal with it) but to this day I have this weird (according to my wife) defense mechanism where I keep people at a distance.

The odd thing is that people who know me think I'm a happy-go-lucky guy. Not really. I am pleasant and friendly, but almost incapable of small talk. I just don't seem to be able to do it.

But...I am awesome at getting up in front of large groups and speaking. I recently gave a talk in front of the entire engineering organization at my facility (probably 75 people) and was "in my element". I travel internationally and give talks and sit on review panels and somehow pull it off. But, inside I'm freaking out and dread every trip.

Another pelican works with me at my facility. It would be interesting to get his feedback. :)

IROC 04-03-2020 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 10809149)
Any introverts know their Meyers Briggs personality type?

No, but I peg the meter as an "S" in the DiSC assessment.

Geronimo '74 04-03-2020 03:26 AM

I didn't know about that particular assessment.
A quick online test has me down as a D and C (?)

ramonesfreak 04-03-2020 03:59 AM

Introvert here too

With the exception of health issues and having no income now, this lockdown is a dream come true for me

I have 9 fish tanks to tend to for a change and I can sit in my studio and play guitar all damn day or listen to records, watch concert dvds or work on the 911

I have absolutely no interest in socializing with other people. Though I do miss going to my favorite lunch places every day but that’s just because I miss the food, not the people

My wife is the same thankfully

Seahawk 04-03-2020 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 10809149)
Any introverts know their Meyers Briggs personality type?

I have taken the test four times because I had to:cool:

Twice scored ENTJ.

The other times both INTP.

I think it had a lot to do with age and where I was in my career.

Interesting thread.

GH85Carrera 04-03-2020 06:24 AM

I was very shy and introverted as a kid. Dad was an Air Force pilot, so we moved to a different school for me every single year from 1st grade to 11th grade. Every single year I heard the phrase, "Class this is Glen the new kid" and for several years I had few friends and was really miserable.

In the third grade we moved once again to a new city and of course a new school. I vividly remember on the trip to that new school for the first day saying to myself no one here knows me at all, and I can be anybody, and I am not going to be the shy kid. So at recess, I walked up to the group of 6 boys and introduced myself. It was one of the hardest things I did at that point in my life.

I had tons of friends that year. Of course one year later, we moved from the off base house to an on-base house and I had a new school. I had learned to make friends.

I went to my wife's 40th high school anniversary. She was the only person there I knew, and she wanted to talk to her school friends. I mingled all night and had a good time talking to strangers.

I am happy to spend days at a time at home, especially now with the Covid-19 virus thing in full swing. I have no need to go mingle and my life has not changed all that much.

Arthropraxis 04-03-2020 06:31 AM

I have taken those personality tests several times at work. IIRC they were INTJ/F I was really close on he last type for both. Took another one don't remember the name came out about the same, it ranked four personality traits. Thinking, assertiveness, friendly, outgoing. My outgoing was almost non existent.
My coping skill is to get an extrovert friend to take the lead so I can blend in until I am comfortable to participate in a social setting. He has no filter so it makes it easy to assess the crowd quickly. Same thing with my wife, she makes friends everywhere she goes. I can be in a room full of people and no one approaches me, she walks in and barely gets in the door before someone it approaching her.
I really don't care as long as the dog likes me.

yellowperil 04-03-2020 10:12 AM

Me too- I'm kinda shy. This is not a joke, I've bought several convertible cars (sportscars) and never put the tops down.

wdfifteen 04-03-2020 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by IROC (Post 10809201)
But...I am awesome at getting up in front of large groups and speaking. )

I was great at shows, talking to people all day long about our product. But it was like putting on a different skin and being someone else. I was on stage, center of attention, and I was talking about something I found important and knew thoroughly. I actually enjoyed it.
It's wayy different than socializing.

masraum 04-03-2020 04:51 PM

It's odd, I'm mostly an introvert. I was once told, and it made sense that introverts recharge when they are alone and discharge when they are in a crowd, and extroverts are the opposite.

I can be perfectly happy being alone for long periods of time. If I have to be in a group setting, I prefer it to be a small group, and one that I'm very familiar with. I think I'm mostly an introvert, but under the right circumstances, I can seem extroverted (at least, some folks seem to think I am). When I'm in a small familiar group, or a group where the setting is very familiar, then I can seem very outgoing, talkative, flirty.

When I was younger, if a friend invited me to go with them to a party that was someplace that was unfamiliar with people that I mostly didn't know, I'd mostly sit/stand quietly with minimal interaction with others basically just waiting to leave wishing that I was somewhere else. If we had a party at our apt, I tried to make sure that everyone was involved, and no one was sitting quietly in a corner. I would talk to anyone there, even folks that I'd never met before that were brought by someone. I'd talk and flirt with girls, and most folks thought I was a super extrovert. Often at work, folks think I'm very outgoing because once I'm comfortable, I seem very social. It's like I'm 2 different people depending upon the situation. I'm pretty sure the quiet me is the core me. I have no idea who the other guy is or where he comes from.

RKDinOKC 04-03-2020 05:11 PM

I was one of the people that had to stand on the teacher's right in the extrovert group.

Speak well to groups, basically remember speech class from junior high.

Usually start quiet and reserved in new situations/groups, but warm up and speak up as i listen and get to know the other people.

MAS956 04-03-2020 05:38 PM

ISTJ. As I recall, a couple of suitable jobs for my personality type are mortician and librarian. I am neither.

IROC 04-04-2020 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10810129)
I was great at shows, talking to people all day long about our product. But it was like putting on a different skin and being someone else. I was on stage, center of attention, and I was talking about something I found important and knew thoroughly. I actually enjoyed it.
It's wayy different than socializing.

Exactly! Maybe in some ways, speaking in front of large groups plays to the introvert's strength as there is little one-to-one interaction?

mjohnson 04-04-2020 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 10809329)
I have taken the test four times because I had to:cool:

Twice scored ENTJ.

The other times both INTP.

I think it had a lot to do with age and where I was in my career.

Interesting thread.

MB tests are debunked in the real world of psychology I guess - but they're still fun!

I was an INTP until I grew up and had to get things done. I'm still a hard NT but the E/I and the J/P are situation dependant...

Maybe it's the DISC people, but I recall that some in the psychometric crowd say that your results differ based on your testing location and your recent past (i.e. on vacation vs. at work). It'd be interesting to see how things change for many of us after a month of isolation...

(my mom has a psychology degree and specialized in psychometry - not a lot of hugs as a kid but i remember this big maze to get to my bottle)

flatbutt 04-04-2020 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 10809149)
Any introverts know their Meyers Briggs personality type?

I had to take it several times as my employer changed our working environment over and over. After the first time (I don't remember the classification exactly (IN something)) I had an idea as to how it worked. The second time I took it I answered in the manner that I thought would suit my corporate goal, it worked. The times I took it after that I was able to get very close to the outcome I wanted. The one constant that came out was more or less along this thinking "..he doesn't trust authority but does the job assigned to him, best to leave him alone..."

KFC911 04-04-2020 05:21 AM

^^^^ LOL...I (and team if I had one) were definitely in the "better to leave him/them alone" category. Tests....we don't need no stinkin' test to know we're "not normal" :D.

Seahawk 04-04-2020 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnson (Post 10810520)
MB tests are debunked in the real world of psychology I guess - but they're still fun!

I would not have taken them voluntarily, trust me!

Like a lot of folks here I can become extroverted in certain situations but prefer more "introverted" pursuits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnson (Post 10810520)
(my mom has a psychology degree and specialized in psychometry - not a lot of hugs as a kid but i remember this big maze to get to my bottle)

Made me laugh...well done!

mjohnson 04-04-2020 07:27 AM

[QUOTE=Seahawk;10810612
Like a lot of folks here I can become extroverted in certain situations ..[/QUOTE]

I think there's a spread of understanding of what "introvert" means. High functioning introverts (me maybe?) engage fully with the world. We're cheery and good speakers. We just need a few minutes to chill...

Noah930 04-04-2020 07:52 AM

The true introverts aren't even replying to this thread. They're just reading and nodding in agreement.

Zeke 04-04-2020 08:33 AM

Being a contractor in a fast moving business I would have been slayed if I wasn't an extrovert.

Apparently the only one here. I can talk to anyone anytime and I can work alone. When someone once asked if it bothered me if they watch me work I replied, "Only if I don't know what I'm doing."

mattdavis11 04-04-2020 08:47 AM

I took the test back in college, can't recall the total result, but was an extrovert. I don't see it that way.

I had lunch with LubeMaster, and dinner with Hugh, I felt nervous the whole time, basically felt like a social idiot.

Yesterday, I helped a family that was broken down on the side of the road. Couldn't pass them up.

Today, everyone is at work (we are all deemed essential), and I'm enjoying the solitude.

I used to be in outside sales and did well, but I dropped the sales part.

Different day, different hat.


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