Sweden Dealing with Covid the Right Way

[Ziggythecat]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Your editing makes it sound like I made the statement.

Not my intention.
You are pretty good at speaking for yourself.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by legion

...
Locking people in their homes until there is a vaccine is "magical thinking".

No one has been locked in their homes, and no reasonable person has ever suggested the latter either imo.

GTF out of your house Chris....seriously. Just be safe about it....

There is no one stopping you....except you

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Ziggythecat

Not my intention.
You are pretty good at speaking for yourself.

I know, Just messing with you a little.

[legion]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Source?

I heard it on the radio. I'll see if I can find something.

[legion]

Originally Posted by KC911

No one has been locked in their homes, and no reasonable person has ever suggested the latter either imo.

GTF out of your house Chris....seriously. Just be safe about it....

There is no one stopping you....except you

Everything is closed. There is literally nowhere to go.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

SARS and MERS took months just the develop the genome sequence. It took far less time for Covid 19. By the time SARS and MERS vaccines were ready for testing they died out so the research ground to a halt. Money and resources were better spent elsewhere.

I guess you can apply the same logic to military expenses? Ain't nobody invading us. Why bother?

[group911@aol.co]

Yep. https://time.com/5831351/threats-oklahoma-face-masks-stillwater-coronavirus/
I suppose we can also apply that logic to shirts and shoes? Yum. Makes me want head right down there.

Originally Posted by wayner

I wonder how long before we start hearing that mandatory masks are taking my freedom?

Im sure there will be a segment of the population, I just hope its a small segment and that most people are really more considerate of others than the few.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Ziggythecat

Interesting conversations regarding there being at least two permutations of the virus, with New York getting the European version from Italy, which is more virulent than the virus from WuHan.

> 30 'versions' or strains of this virus

but yes, attn. has focussed on those 2 for the reasons you noted

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by legion

Everything is closed. There is literally nowhere to go.

why not stay home?

you can post on the internet


or... you could do something and train for then do contact tracing

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

> 30 'versions' or strains of this virus

but yes, attn. has focussed on those 2 for the reasons you noted

Yep, the Stanford trial mentioned these four, 229E, NL63, OC43, HKU1, and that they could cause false positives in their antibody trial. Apparently, most people have been infected with at least one of the strains sometime during their life.

[Sooner or later]

https://stanfordhealthcare.org/health-care-professionals/covid-19-test/covid-19-serology-testing.html

FDA Disclaimer:

This test has been validated and developed by Stanford Clinical Lab. The FDA has been notified.
This test has not been reviewed nor approved by the FDA.
Negative result does not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Follow-up testing with a molecular diagnostic test should be considered to rule out infection.
This antibody test result should not be used as the sole basis to diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2 infection or to inform infection status.
Positive result may be due to past or present infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

People around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

why not stay home?

you can post on the internet


or... you could do something and train for then do contact tracing

We cannot continue to have the economy shut down for months on end. The initial goal was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, not eliminate death by Covid-19.

Personal, business, local, state, and federal budgets will be busted and the Tabs scenario will actually take place.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Ziggythecat

Interesting conversations regarding there being at least two permutations of the virus, with New York getting the European version from Italy, which is more virulent than the virus from WuHan.

I have read about there being at least two distinct strains of Covid19 but it does not make sense that one is a "European version" since the outbreak in Italy was caused by the large number of Chinese migrant workers in northern Italy who travel back and forth to China. They are all Chinese versions.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

Yep. https://time.com/5831351/threats-oklahoma-face-masks-stillwater-coronavirus/
I suppose we can also apply that logic to shirts and shoes? Yum. Makes me want head right down there.

I jus view the world outside my door as a giant garbage dump (I just can't see or smell the garbage.

If I was going to spend the day wandering around a garbage dump, I'd avoid touching things, I'd wear some light work gloves, and a face covering, adn i 'd wash my hands often. Wait, that's what Ive been doing since early March!

I think its a good metaphor

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Yep, the Stanford trial mentioned these four, 229E, NL63, OC43, HKU1, and that they could cause false positives in their antibody trial. Apparently, most people have been infected with at least one of the strains sometime during their life.

no

there are more than 30 types of this particular virus; that is from a paper by Li Lanjuan et al. from Zhejiang University
it is on medRxiv.org

viral taxonomy is arbitrary, but it helps if we all use what the virologists do

S & L for starters

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

no

there are more than 30 types of this particular virus

viral taxonomy is arbitrary, but it helps if we all use what the virologists do

S & L for starters

I mentioned those four because they are common earlier coronavirus that can be picked up in antibody tests and read as a positive for Covid 19. 19 is novel, or new.

[RWebb]

those 4 are in the Covid family (~7 members IIRC) but are more genetically distinct than the 30+ which are all SARS-CoV-2

- I am biting my tongue to avoids using species, or genus here...

besides the regular news media obscuring things, the more specialized media (WebMD) are culpable for muddying the waters a bit too

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

those 4 are in the Covid family (~7 members IIRC) but are more genetically distinct than the 30+ which are all SARS-CoV-2

- I am biting my tongue to avoids using species, or genus here...

besides the regular news media obscuring things, the more specialized media (WebMD) are culpable for muddying the waters a bit too

Read my edited post. I am trying to clarify. They are all coronavirus. Those 4 (I am surev others) can be picked up as a positive Covid 19 in antibody tests.

[Sooner or later]

I used WebMD only to show they were a past common coronavirus. I used Stanford to show those past coronavirus can affect antibody tests.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

We cannot continue to have the economy shut down for months on end. The initial goal was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, not eliminate death by Covid-19.

Personal, business, local, state, and federal budgets will be busted and the Tabs scenario will actually take place.

I took a small tour of my small tourist town. Beautiful day, as was yesterday. On May 4th, unless it's a stunami, monsoon or hurricane the place would be packed, no parking anywhere, restaurants and bars teeming with people.

Today: Nothing. A ghost town. Every busines had an 8X11 piece of paper taped to the front door saying various things like CLOSED for the VIRUS, CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, CLOSED BY ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR.

The only traffic I encountered was local people checking out the flooded areas because the Great Lakes are at record highs. And a few families riding bikes.

I have never in 40 years seen anything like this.