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group911@aol.co 05-18-2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10870279)
That's where I'm at too. This one size fits all approach hasn't made much sense to me. I think the county I live in has had less than 10 confirmed cases and yet we're shut down like the counties with higher population density and higher cases. Doesn't make much sense.

And hopefully, your restaurants or shops or local attractions aren't good enough that non locals will want to visit.

cabmandone 05-18-2020 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 10870311)
And hopefully, your restaurants or shops or local attractions aren't good enough that non locals will want to visit.

Okay... you know I live in Ohio. You know I live in Delphos... Look at the map of Allen, Auglaize, Van Wert, Putnam, Mercer.. Might be 400 cases total for the 5 county area where people would be most likely to travel to/from
It's crazy to apply a one size fits all approach to this. The jackasses can't even figure out how to keep the DMV open in a county with FIVE cases. One size fits all is for those who simply don't want to take the effort to think about how to maintain business in areas that have low population density. We could have been limiting occupancy of bars, restaurants etc back in March... but we had to shut everything down. It's a lazy way of doing things. Don't get me wrong I think social distancing is necessary but I live here, I went to Menards and Lowes and couldn't figure out why in the hell we were shutting down a small business when the big boys were operating like nothing was happening. We hurt a lot of small businesses because people in power were simply too lazy to think.

RWebb 05-18-2020 02:38 PM

who has applied a one size fits all approach to this??

group911@aol.co 05-18-2020 03:31 PM

I don't necessarily disagree with it. The wild card now and for the foreseeable future is either someone from within going out and coming back with it or an outsider coming in. I don't agree that the big boys should have been operating business as usual either- which is why the big push to make them free from liability I suppose. Anybody operating should have been taking extreme caution in order to stay open.
Let us know how many people are actually taking it seriously when you're out.
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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10870426)
Okay... you know I live in Ohio. You know I live in Delphos... Look at the map of Allen, Auglaize, Van Wert, Putnam, Mercer.. Might be 400 cases total for the 5 county area where people would be most likely to travel to/from
It's crazy to apply a one size fits all approach to this. The jackasses can't even figure out how to keep the DMV open in a county with FIVE cases. One size fits all is for those who simply don't want to take the effort to think about how to maintain business in areas that have low population density. We could have been limiting occupancy of bars, restaurants etc back in March... but we had to shut everything down. It's a lazy way of doing things. Don't get me wrong I think social distancing is necessary but I live here, I went to Menards and Lowes and couldn't figure out why in the hell we were shutting down a small business when the big boys were operating like nothing was happening. We hurt a lot of small businesses because people in power were simply too lazy to think.


cabmandone 05-18-2020 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10870432)
who has applied a one size fits all approach to this??

Pretty much every State with a shelter in place order for the entire State. Michigan is a great example of one size fits all. Ohio is another great example. Like I said... pretty much every state with a State wide shelter in place rule.

cabmandone 05-18-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 10870528)
I don't necessarily disagree with it. The wild card now and for the foreseeable future is either someone from within going out and coming back with it or an outsider coming in. I don't agree that the big boys should have been operating business as usual either- which is why the big push to make them free from liability I suppose. Anybody operating should have been taking extreme caution in order to stay open.
Let us know how many people are actually taking it seriously when you're out.

Before Menards implemented the mandatory mask to enter rule, virtually no one was wearing a mask. I saw employees standing in close circles talking to customers. It was a complete head scratcher for me and honestly somewhat infuriating. I went to the grocery store last week for my parents. It was about a 50/50 split for people with/without masks. Went to a Pet supply store yesterday. Again about a 50/50 split. We can't mandate mask wearing for the general public but it would be nice if someone would do a better job of explaining why a mask is necessary and helpful. I just don't think most people get it.

You'll never stop someone from travelling out and bringing it back. We have to look at the most vulnerable and make sure we do everything we can to protect them while still maintaining some sense of "normal" for the majority that would survive getting this virus.

I've been lucky. My business is "essential" since I sell farm and construction related products. I didn't have to close my business and to be honest wouldn't have if told to. I get maybe 10 customers per year coming to my place to see a machine. Last week I sold 3 machines. Of the three, one customer came and saw the machine.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-18-2020 05:12 PM

^^^

Returned from the band (as that bisch KC would say! :D). Why youse gotta try and copy me, bro?!?! :D

KFC911 05-18-2020 05:21 PM

LOL...was Nick in the band....and then got booted out?

He plays a sloppy cobell...and hogs all the solos :D

cabmandone 05-18-2020 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10870658)
^^^

Returned from the band (as that bisch KC would say! :D). Why youse gotta try and copy me, bro?!?! :D

Yeah baby! I'm back from the Island. I was walking around and saw "raw wuz here" scratched in a rock wall.

RWebb 05-19-2020 12:13 PM

a one size fits all approach would be at the federal level

states can do what they want - there is a LOT of circulation of the popn. within a state (except for varmint's maybe)

or we can claim that anything larger than a zipcode basis is a one size fits all approach

cabmandone 05-19-2020 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10871785)
a one size fits all approach would be at the federal level

states can do what they want - there is a LOT of circulation of the popn. within a state (except for varmint's maybe)

or we can claim that anything larger than a zipcode basis is a one size fits all approach


A one size fits all approach is looking at the spread in Cincy, Cbus and Cleveland and then applying the same rules to places like Kalida, Ottoville, Mandale, Delphos, Ft Jennings etc. It's lazy and honestly inexcusable. There's no reason a BMV in Van Wert County with a whopping 5 cases should be shut down like a BMV in Cleveland. It's lazy but it's easy. It requires no real thinking to just say "shut it all down". I expect my Governor and state legislature to actually think and then act... That's not happening now.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-19-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10870709)
Yeah baby! I'm back from the Island. I was walking around and saw "raw wuz here" scratched in a rock wall.

Hopefully you did not then urinate, defecate, or masturbate on said wall! :eek:

cabmandone 05-19-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10872111)
Hopefully you did not then urinate, defecate, or masturbate on said wall! :eek:

I stood for just a moment in amazement at those who had come before me. :D
Then I walked over to the water and washed my shoes.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-19-2020 05:16 PM

^^^

If KC had ever been part of the Island Band, then washing would not have done enough; you'd have to burn your kicks to properly cleanse those bisches after stepping in his leavings!!! :eek:

RWebb 05-20-2020 10:32 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1589999528.jpg

sammyg2 05-20-2020 11:26 AM

Just fer giggles, I googled "ban island".
This was the very first hit that came up under images:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1590002748.jpg

Eric Coffey 05-20-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10873091)

<iframe src="https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&year=2020-05-08&time=2020-03-01..&country=BEL+FRA+ITA+ESP+SWE+GBR" style="width: 50%; height: 600px; border: 0px none;"></iframe>

Graphs are fun!

island911 05-20-2020 11:59 AM

:D snicker

You read my mind Eric.

Webb intends to mislead. The fact of the matter is that there are plenty of 'Shut' countries that did much worse than Sweden. But Webb says pay no attention to those.

RWebb 05-20-2020 12:21 PM

the graph I posted is normalized for time and relates to similar countries

Eric's graph isn't - and was intended to mislead, as nearly all of isly's posts are

KFC911 05-20-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10873157)
Just fer giggles, I googled "ban island".
This was the very first hit that came up under images:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1590002748.jpg

I don't remember a couple of them...or why for some. Where is N!...

If I can't play cobell in The Island Reggae Band....leave me out...

I'd whup the first person to bring up politicks too...bad vibes aren't allowed in my band :)


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