US CV19 numbers are crap (I'm sure it's global)

[Por_sha911]

Flatt's post illustrates the fact that the numbers the MSM and those in govt are feeding you are bogus. Car crash - COVID. Drug overdose - COVID. Hangnail - probably will end up in a COVID death. See my edited post to make things clear)

To those who lose family and friends my condolences. Unfortunately some were already in a risky condition and the virus pushed them over the edge.

[wdfifteen]

That was very informative Markus. Thanks.
Scary thought - what if there is a virus that kills like SARS viruses but has no long term immunity, like the common cold virus?

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

91.8% of people who have an agenda to prove a lie with numbers and statistics.
(sorry, couldn't resist)

It's all a conspiracy I tell ya!

[Por_sha911]

and everyone loves a good conspiracy. Some love all conspiracies.

[livi]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

That was very informative Markus. Thanks.
Scary thought - what if there is a virus that kills like SARS viruses but has no long term immunity, like the common cold virus?

Thanks. A distressing thougth indeed.
Its seems very plausible that the lottery in the gene pool among bats and other critters, particularly in Asia, is constantly producing a wide genetic variation in different sorts of virus. Some will by chance turn out to be able to spread easily between humans. Some will have a high mortality rate. Some will have a high number of non symptomatic carriers, some a low number. Some will spread easily and kill swiftly. Its a genetic lottery thats been with us since the dawn of Earth. Sooner or later there will come along a giant killer like smallpox again.
Its basically a very educational example of the Evolution thesis of Darwin, clearly showing us that no matter how clever and civilized homo sapience has evolved into, we stand no chance what so ever against Nature.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by KC911

Vinman, I'm 99.9999978356% sure that Joe isn't saying that....naw, make that 100%.

Take care of yourself...I can't imagine what it's like for you guys.

Yeah , I know. took it wrong. Just a little stressed and on edge.



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[tadd]

People have been worried for years about getting some of the nastier bugs new tricks.

We know for sure that viruses and bacteria swap genetic info all the time via things like plasmid transfer.

There was a huge worry that HIV would pick up airborne capability from the flu in those patients who were surviving on the medication cocktails.

Thankfully it hasn’t.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by livi

Thanks. A distressing thougth indeed.
Its seems very plausible that the lottery in the gene pool among bats and other critters, particularly in Asia, is constantly producing a wide genetic variation in different sorts of virus. Some will by chance turn out to be able to spread easily between humans. Some will have a high mortality rate. Some will have a high number of non symptomatic carriers, some a low number. Some will spread easily and kill swiftly. Its a genetic lottery thats been with us since the dawn of Earth. Sooner or later there will come along a giant killer like smallpox again.
Its basically a very educational example of the Evolution thesis of Darwin, clearly showing us that no matter how clever and civilized homo sapience has evolved into, we stand no chance what so ever against Nature.

Let's take this^^ one step further.

If you accept Darwinian theory, understand it is about survival of the specie, not the individual. Be it mammal or virus, mutation/change/evolution must be to the advantage of the specie. If a virus is an extreme killer of its host, it will die out along with a great number of the host specie. If the virus does not mutate, it will die out. The ability to mutate is in the RNA of the virus as a survival tool. A virus that can infect a host, and not kill it will survive. A mutated form can reinfect a host that has immunity from the original form, thus perpetuating the survival of the viral "specie." Ideally, for the virus, mutating to a form that allows its existence without killing the host is the end game.

People speak of the Corona virus as "smart." It is not smart, it is programmed for survival and its means of adaption is mutation and reproduction. It is vicious because it has developed a rapid reproduction rate from being in the bat community where it exists without killing the hosts. Bats that have "evolved" to live with the virus by developing rapid response antibodies and moderated inflammatory reactions. The virus responded to the bats by developing a rapid reproduction rate that allowed it to live inside a host that developed a tolerance. The bats are infected but asymptomatic . The bats survive and so does the virus. The bats are contagious. Eventually, the bats will transfer the virus to another bat or specie of animal that has not adapted to the viral infection and the new hosts (individuals) will succumb. The surviving new hosts will be those whose systems were able to adapt to the viral infection and become the "stronger" version of the original population.

Meanwhile, the virus adapts as well, through mutation.