When, if ever, do you think we’ll return to “normal”?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by island911

I get it. I did call you out for being a contemptuous moderator. Always with a chip on your shoulder.

So yeah, I can see why you want to hate on me. But really, it's your massive contempt for others that you dislike.

Not at all. Only the few that seem to not understand any boundaries. Go ahead with your rebuttals. In the long run, even the short run, you will be shown as the person you are. Intelligent but absolutely and emphatically misdirected and woefully uninformed.

Here's the thing son, I've been on the streets for 50 years. Make it 60 if you count my individualistic enterprises at a young age. You seem to not have one clue as to what living in this society is about.

Read that again and take it seriously. If there was anyone who matched the glittering generality of someone who lives in his mother's basement, you fit that bill so well.

Fvking grow up and get some kind of life beyond your medical appliance work, or whatever it is you do, and get out in the real world, Shovel some goddamn dirt, climb 30 feet up on a shaky ladder so you can make 5 bucks an hour like I did too long.

Show me some callouses that bleed for days. Cough in the dust so thick that you can't see your truck 200 feet away. Go to college and tell the dumb fck instructors that they are bullsiht because they are. Get married to a great woman that has 2 kids 5 and 12 and take that responsibility, build 30 cars, build 30 houses, take a comprehensive general contractor's test and obtain a license. Do 100 estimates a year for 100 different individuals and families of ALL walks or life, and most of all, do this in the 5th poorest city in the State of CA and come back an tell me you know what the fcuk life is.

And that is only the beginning of my experience. I did get a college degree witch I immediately repudiated. I did get a 2nd degree in marketing which I find to be the basis of what's really wrong with this society. I grew up in the "Mad Men" household which was about as false of a family as you can imagine.

So I broke loose and have been out there doing all that since I was 18 and I'll be goddamned if some piece of crap like you is going to impress me with his 'life' experience and take on how society actually works from the ground up.

You want to pontificate about life, go out an live a bit of the real life before you make yourself look more ignorant that you are.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by legion

The best strategy would be to open everything up and let it circulate through the population. Those that are vulnerable should be isolated from the rest of us during this time. Then, after about 3 months, there will be a herd immunity and the vulnerable can re-integrate into society...

That would be the scientific thing to do. The irony here is that the lockdowns, the masks, distancing, etc. are being done, supposedly, because they are scientific and data-driven. Our governorette is constantly reminding us that the data clearly shows the crack...sorry...lockdown is saving lives.

What data? Nobody is even asking her how many people have had the virus.

[Sooner or later]

Don't hold back, Zeke. Let it out!

[Crowbob]

Zeke's a wimp. He doesn't even live in Michigan.

[Baz]

[rusnak]

I would have never thought "go to Vegas and suck a dick" would be a phrase, let alone one with such self inflicted irony.

[911boost]

[recycled sixtie]

Zeke I will give you the rant of the year award. Having said that it is no good for your blood pressure.

[jyl]

Serious question here: for those of you WFH, do you think you and your coworkers will continue to WFH after this? Will your employers want you to, will you want to?

Big debate in real estate and other fields about this. Will companies shift to WFH, will demand for office space decline, will demand for larger houses and apartments increase, will commuting traffic decline, etc.

I have not been WFH so I don’t have a sense of how it’s gone.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by jyl

Serious question here: for those of you WFH, do you think you and your coworkers will continue to WFH after this? Will your employers want you to, will you want to?

Big debate in real estate and other fields about this. Will companies shift to WFH, will demand for office space decline, will demand for larger houses and apartments increase, will commuting traffic decline, etc.

I have not been WFH so I don’t have a sense of how it’s gone.

WTF is WFH?

[sc_rufctr]

Work From Home.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by pmax

Vaccine is no sure thing.

This is over when everyone gets it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/25/844939777/no-evidence-that-recovered-covid-19-patients-are-immune-who-says

The World Health Organization has pushed back against the theory that individuals can only catch the coronavirus once, as well as proposals for reopening society that are based on this supposed immunity.

[Por_sha911]

Oh gee, lets believe what the WHO says. They are the same folks who said
China has everything under control
Believe China's #s
The virus came from the wet market and can't be transmitted from person to person
(should I continue?)

[dad911]

I agree, WHO effed up. Too political.

However: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/south-korea-coronavirus-retesting-positive-intl-hnk/index.html I

n South Korea, health officials are trying to solve a mystery: why 163 people who recovered from coronavirus have retested positive, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).

The same has been recorded in China, where some coronavirus patients tested positive after seeming to recover, although there are no official figures.

We are going under the assumption we will build a herd immunity. Hope that is the case, but this virus seems to be breaking the rules....

A friend (active fireman) told me today a fellow fireman retested positive(after having it, then cleared back to work).

False positives? False negatives? Too big of a margin of error rushing the tests?

Who knows? (certainly not WHO)

[Crowbob]

Was the fireman symptomatic none, once or twice?

[dad911]

I don't know. Will ask.

[Crowbob]

Thank you.

[fanaudical]

Originally Posted by jyl

Serious question here: for those of you WFH, do you think you and your coworkers will continue to WFH after this? Will your employers want you to, will you want to?

Big debate in real estate and other fields about this. Will companies shift to WFH, will demand for office space decline, will demand for larger houses and apartments increase, will commuting traffic decline, etc.

I have not been WFH so I don’t have a sense of how it’s gone.

WFH= Work From Home

I've been WFH for about six weeks. No issues - prefer it, actually. Have had my home office set up for a long time (used to do some consulting out of the house - am considering doing that full time).

I think employers where micro-management is the norm will pull people back into the office as soon as they can (maybe sooner than they should, depending on local guidelines). I know my employer wanted everybody back at their desks at work last week.

Other companies where it's convenient or "proving more productive" (if you're not commuting two hours, you can be working two more hours...) will probably maintain WFH.

Something that's not really been discussed much - How secure is all the "home" IT? I think a lot of companies put ad-hoc policies in place quickly and didn't think a lot about data security. (Just look at Zoom and the mess that's been...)

Something I do expect to see a shift in is office design for "desk jockeys". I think we'll see a move away from cubes toward micro-offices (floor to ceiling partitions, doors, filtered ventilation to keep contamination in a confined space - makes it easier to decon if you have a virulent employee).

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by dad911

I agree, WHO effed up. Too political.

However: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/south-korea-coronavirus-retesting-positive-intl-hnk/index.html I

We are going under the assumption we will build a herd immunity. Hope that is the case, but this virus seems to be breaking the rules....

A friend (active fireman) told me today a fellow fireman retested positive(after having it, then cleared back to work).

False positives? False negatives? Too big of a margin of error rushing the tests?

Who knows? (certainly not WHO)

How did someone recover from the virus, if their body did not develop antibodies, and fight it off? How is that not immunity?

And if they have antibodies, and the test basically is to check for antibodies, then of course it's going to come back positive if they have gotten it and recovered. The issue is do you have both antibodies and are you sick (COVID-19), as in are you actually showing dire symptoms such as "you are in actual danger of dying" + test positive for antibodies.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by rusnak

How did someone recover from the virus, if their body did not develop antibodies, and fight it off? How is that not immunity?

And if they have antibodies, and the test basically is to check for antibodies, then of course it's going to come back positive if they have gotten it and recovered. The issue is do you have both antibodies and are you sick (COVID-19), as in are you actually showing dire symptoms such as "you are in actual danger of dying" + test positive for antibodies.

These are cases where the person tested positive for active virus infection, not just for antibodies, after having previously been sick and recovered with negative test for virus. There have been a number of these situations in China and Korea. I don’t think it is yet understood what is happening - if the people weren’t actually recovered before, or if they have actually been reinfected.