I Ate Dinner. At A Restaurant!

[onewhippedpuppy]

Yes, I took my life into my hands and went out with my wife and another couple yesterday evening for a real life night out. Our ridiculous “quarantine” (lockdown) has been lifted with restrictions, but at least now most businesses can open. It was absolutely amazing to have a nice night out, with nice fresh food that didn’t require me to pick it up and drinks made by somebody that’s not me. We already made family reservations for Mother’s Day, can’t wait!

[mgatepi]

WOW!
I am so jealous!!
Enjoy!

[fastfredracing]

Look out, He's got the Rona! It will be nice if we ever get back to normal again.
I hate going to Lowes. It is like something out of a sci fi novel .

[Seahawk]

I have been doing a lot of reading on how efficacious social distancing, masks, etc. are.

Seems to be a mixed bag.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/04/the-failed-experiment-of-social-distancing/

After a two-month trial, researchers are collecting early outcomes of the Great American Social Distancing Experiment of 2020.

The results, to say the least, ain’t pretty—and the “experts” who initiated this experiment on 330 million well-meaning but unwitting test subjects are starting to admit failure.

“Wait. An experiment?” you may ask. But we have been assured by the credentialed class that keeping a distance of six feet between healthy people for weeks on end was the only tried-and-true way to prevent the deadly spread of the novel coronavirus. No way would the government shutter public schools and colleges for five months, bankrupt small businesses, send tens of millions to the unemployment line, jeopardize the nation’s food supply chain, prevent children from comforting dying parents and grandparents, and subject their fellow countrymen to soul-crushing house arrest for the first time in U.S. history if the so-called “social distancing” guidance hadn’t been carefully vetted over time, you might insist.

Certainly every variable and every side effect of social distancing has been factored into this economy-crashing “mitigation” strategy, right?

Unfortunately, and maddeningly, the answer is no.

Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former head of the Food and Drug Administration and a lead booster of social distancing, admitted Sunday that the draconian measures aren’t working as the experts promised.

“The concerning thing here is that we’re looking at the prospect that this may be a persistent spread,” Gottlieb said on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” further noting 20,000 to 30,000 new reported cases per day despite intense lockdown orders in most states.

“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,” he said. “We expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point, and we’re just not seeing that.”

In fact, Gottlieb pointed to rising daily COVID-19 cases in 20 states, including heavily locked-down states such as Virginia and Maryland.

But this seems to defy the “science” that governors and lawmakers repeatedly pledge to follow in order to keep people safe from the virus.

[legion]

Must be nice. Our tyrant...er governor keeps making noise that he will keep us all imprisoned until there is a vaccine, which may never happen. So it will be like debter's prison and house arrest all rolled into one malicious act.

[legion]

Originally Posted by fastfredracing

Look out, He's got the Rona! It will be nice if we ever get back to normal again.
I hate going to Lowes. It is like something out of a sci fi novel .

Yep, he may join the 80%+ who get it and never know. Oh the horror of having a "deadly" disease and showing now symptoms!

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

the “experts” who initiated this experiment on 330 million well-meaning but unwitting test subjects are starting to admit failure.

“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,”

Um, what?

[island911]

Seahawk is right. Just look at the crazy-wide data-spread on all of these countries that used similar mitigation methods. (social distancing / shut-down)

And then there is Sweden, with Ikea managers shuttling to and from China on a regular basis, and minimal social distancing / shut-down measures.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by island911

Seahawk is right. Just look at the crazy-wide data-spread on all of these countries that used similar mitigation methods. (social distancing / shut-down)

And then there is Sweden, with Ikea managers shuttling to and from China on a regular basis, and minimal social distancing / shut-down measures.

We're too close to the beginning of this to know what worked and what didn't. The available data could only speak to what was said people should do, not what they actually did.

I do think the data shows trends are headed in the right direction and we need to reopen. It's too late to make it worthwhile for schools but businesses should be allowed to reopen and allow owners and customers to make judgements about good practice. In the meantime the healthcare industry and emergency planners should be focused on being ready for this fall and prepared to share/pool resources.

That's the role the Fed government should be chest deep in right now.

[island911]

Originally Posted by wilnj

We're too close to the beginning of this to know what worked and what didn't. The available data could only speak to what was said people should do, not what they actually did.

I do think the data shows trends are headed in the right direction and we need to reopen. It's too late to make it worthwhile for schools but businesses should be allowed to reopen and allow owners and customers to make judgements about good practice. In the meantime the healthcare industry and emergency planners should be focused on being ready for this fall and prepared to share/pool resources.

That's the role the Fed government should be chest deep in right now.

^Bold^ shows that you do not believe one of the two points that you wrote.

Oh wait, I get it. You just wanted to discount others perspective, as not being knowable.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by island911

Bold shows that you do not believe one of the things you wrote.

Oh wait, I get it. You just wanted to discount my perspective, as not being knowable.

No, a trend doesn't tell you why something is happening.

Checking out of this thread puppy, sorry to have participated in the hi-jacking. There are a hundred others where this debate can be had.

Glad you got out!

[island911]

Originally Posted by wilnj

No, a trend doesn't tell you why something is happening.

...

My point was that the data shows a lack of correlation to social distancing policy.

I did not say or infer that the data told us why something was happening.

[Baz]

[onewhippedpuppy]

I’m trying to avoid the debate, I get too fired up about the historic government overreach and violation of our constitutional rights that we are living through right now. Just wanted to share that I ventured out and survived!

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Just wanted to share that I ventured out and survived!

Well, not to wish ill on anyone but shouldn't we wait 14 days before we make statements like that?

Similarly, we had a few people on the lawn on Sunday. We're confident we complied with the spirit of the Executive Order but certainly not the letter of it.

At least one busy-body called us out on FB and we're fairly certain that a call to the PD was made but no one showed until after our group of delinquents had disbanded.

I think the mental break was very necessary. I was very concerned for the mental health of my 12 yo son. Sunday kind of reset his attitude.

Interestingly, my daughters seem to be doing better, I guess their more satisfied with facetime type socialization where as my son needed a couple buddies to tool around on bikes with.

[pdxfj]

Can't wait to go and eat in a restaurant again with family and friends.

Company doesn't want us on commercial flights, so I had to road trip it to a remote office last week. Not much fun to get take out from a restaurant and eat it in your hotel room.

Bonus that I got paid to take my Cayman on a 1,300 mile trip.

[speeder]

Imagine how people feel who live in cities that actually have good restaurants!

People in NYC won't be going out to dinner for a while. When the virus hits your remote location for real, (don't worry, it's coming), staying away from other people will seem like an awfully small price to pay. It's kind of sad that many Americans have gotten to the point that they do not believe anything they read in the news and have to experience it right in front of their face to accept it.

That can be arranged in this case, unfortunately.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I’m trying to avoid the debate, I get too fired up about the historic government overreach and violation of our constitutional rights that we are living through right now. Just wanted to share that I ventured out and survived!

I apologize, Matt, for making your innocent thread political.

I like numbers, love numbers...I would like the real data to be apolitical and published, the Five W's.

That is where every model of merit starts.

That said, what did you have?

[McLovin]

Dibs on the SL63.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by mclovin

dibs on the sl63.

lol....