Handgun shooting. Fast follow up shots.

[vash]

Originally Posted by Jim Bremner

I have 1911's a Glock 19, and s CZ75

I can't double tap the G19 yet

1911 I can double and stay in 18"x 24" chest targets well

The CZ 75 has a wonderful 2# trigger with a short reset. By the time I run 8 rounds out of a 1911 I can probably get all 20 rounds out of the CZ Tac Sport mVash, where do you live?

Sonoma wine country. Land of wine, beer and nowhere to shoot

[Jim Bremner]

If you're ever in So Cal I would offer to try to help with the double tap. First is your trigger finger never comes off the trigger. It rides the trigger up from reset.once the reset is done and sight picture has reapers it's time to repeat

[Arthropraxis]

It is all in the grip and trigger finger. Look for you tube videos of Jerry Miculek

[mattdavis11]

Bob Munden is also a great watch.

[DavidI]

We teach a proper grip, trigger press and reset.

Robert Vogel does an excellent job describing the grip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=688tyvWxaYg

The proper grip will allow you to manage the recoil and come back on target quickly. Most people jump right in and start double tapping too soon. Get a good understanding of the fundamentals and your speed will increase. Smooth is fast.

[masraum]

I thought these were interesting.

[masraum]

This guy also seems to be able to get of a couple of quick shots.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

Bob Munden is also a great watch.

One of the best ever, no doubt. Pretty hard to double tap a single action, though. In spite of that, he was faster and more accurate with a single action than most of today's shooters with their fancy semi auto "race guns".

Thell Reed was just as good. He actually won several of Col. Cooper and company's early action pistol matches while shooting a single action. He had to carry two guns so he wouldn't have to reload in some of the stages. The other guys finally got embarrassed enough that they made a new rule, restricting competitors to only one gun.

[wildthing]

Local ranges have the “no rapid fire” rule. So I can’t practice.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by wildthing

Local ranges have the “no rapid fire” rule. So I can’t practice.

Pretty much any club or commercial range will have that rule, both for handguns and for rifles. They kind of have to, for liability reasons, of course. About the only thing you can do is to head out and find a safe place out of town. I know that is almost impossible in some areas, or involves a pretty long drive. Such is the case for me - the nearest place I can shoot that is not an organized range is a two hour drive, one way. There used to be any number of places within about half an hour. I haven't moved, but there has been a real push in my county and neighboring counties to close all shooting in the outdoors, both on National Forest and on DNR land. I could get political about this situation, but I'll spare you...

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by wildthing

Local ranges have the “no rapid fire” rule. So I can’t practice.

I can send ya some snakes

[wildthing]

I'm in California...

When I visited my cousin in Nevada, that's where I was able to practice (and join some matches). But it's a 6 hour drive for me.

[Jim Bremner]

Key is during range time that has no rapid fire rules wait until the range is busy and don't have the loudest gun��

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Pretty much any club or commercial range will have that rule, both for handguns and for rifles.

Not here @ Ben Avery. Come on down and blast away!

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

Not here @ Ben Avery. Come on down and blast away!

I'm envious.

We do actually have several ranges in the area that host IPSC style matches, and have the well safetied three walled pits required. Unfortunately, they don't allow one to shoot that way unless it's at a match.

Come to think of it, I think some of our indoor ranges allow rapid fire as well. Unfortunately, they do not allow lead bullet ammunition (except for .22 rimfire), so that kind of rules them out for me. I can't shoot my cast bullet ammunition, and I kind of don't want to shoot jacketed ammo through most of my handguns, for a lot of reasons. So, ummm... pst... don't tell them (or more like don't tell their city councils) that the vast majority of airborne lead contaminants come from the lead styphanate used in primers, not from lead bullets impacting the traps...

[berettafan]

Crazy stuff. Our outdoor ranges have no such rules.

Ran into a guy once who was from out of town and he looked at my holster with amazement. Finally asked me how i hadn't been asked to leave wearing a holster. I was like 'wtf are you talking about?'. Turns out most ranges say 'no'. Well what in the sam **** are you trying to learn then? slow, aimed bullseye from a low ready? Good luck with that situation.

can't say it enough guys, go try IDPA or USPSA and find out just how little you learn from those god awful slow fire range sessions.

Leatham and Koenig are great to watch.

[Jeff Higgins]

Damn. You have described my club range to a "tee". We cannot even shoot from a low ready - the gun must be placed on the bench in front of you (about waist high) when not in use, or when loading magazines, or whatever. No drawing from a holster under any circumstances. Three seconds between shots. Any gun that arrived in a holster must leave in a case or in a shooting bag, unloaded. We must leave the property before reloading and reholstering the gun.

Our rifle side of the range just recently (in the last two years) began allowing more than one round to be loaded into a rifle's magazine. I think the limit now is five rounds in a rifle magazine (there is no such limit for pistol magazines on the handgun range).

We even have restrictions on what sorts of rifles can be fired past 100 yards, at our 200 and 300 yard targets. Muzzle loaders, for instance, are forbidden to be used past 100 yards as are "pistol caliber" carbines and lever guns. Some of our busy body worry warts have mistaken my black powder cartridge rifles for muzzle loaders and have informed me I cannot shoot them at 300 yards. "Not accurate enough", or "you will hit the last baffle because of its looping trajectory" (we have overhead baffles spaced every ten yards out to 50 yards to catch any bullets that would otherwise escape the range over our impact berm) and that kind of misinformed nonsense.

So, not only way too many rules, but way too many club officials eager to enforce them. If it were not literally "the only game in town" for me, I would have quit decades ago.

[Rick Lee]

I have short reset trigger kits in a few of my SIGs. If you know how to use them, they really make a difference for fast follow up shots or double taps. But it takes practice. For Glocks you need a modified connector. They cost nothing and make a huge difference. But again, you really need to practice and get to know where the take up and reset points are.

[flatbutt]

My indoor range will allow holster draw IF you go thru their own 1 hour class. Double taps are not considered rapid fire at my range.

[looneybin]

Outdoor members only range here let’s you draw from a holster and do multiple fast shots
(You can do a mag dump if you want)