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sc_rufctr 05-14-2020 02:06 AM

Mike Tyson’s Return to Boxing
 
At 53 there's talk of him coming back... Bad idea! If it happens he'll get smashed & not just physically!

After everything that he's been through he thinks this is a good idea? :confused:

To be honest there's a part of me that wants to see him fail and ridiculed. I admired his fighting skill at the time but he's done some disgusting things in the past. The ear biting thing was bad but the rape conviction was on a whole other level.

Maybe he needs this to give him purpose but I think he should look elsewhere for that. One things for certain, it will be interesting.

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Geronimo '74 05-14-2020 02:15 AM

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Disclaimer, I'm at work and haven't watched the vid you posted yet.

I think the ferocity and speed he displays is pretty impressing.
Not sure why you are so sure he'll get smashed?
Depends on how good his opponent will be, I guess.

He did a lot of dumb stuff way back but I believe he is passed that.
I kinda think he's a pretty cool dude, from what I see and read.

WPOZZZ 05-14-2020 02:27 AM

He looks frightening in that video!

sc_rufctr 05-14-2020 02:38 AM

No doubt but you'll notice that each action snippet is very short. ;)

If he's dumb enough to climb into the ring against a 20 year old animal he'll soon run out of steam.

Meanwhile Evander Holyfield @57! is think about doing the same. :confused:

Geronimo '74 05-14-2020 02:42 AM

Snippets are short and, true about the younger guys having an advantage.
But if he hits first and connects, man, that will hurt.
I'm looking forward to seeing him in the ring.

Maybe they are both training for a charity match, Tyson vs Holyfield?
I would be surprised if they are planning a real comeback.

rfuerst911sc 05-14-2020 03:00 AM

What I have read is Tyson is getting in shape to perform 4 round fights for various charities . Holyfield has stated he would be interested in doing that also .

Geronimo '74 05-14-2020 03:06 AM

They are bound to end up in the ring together then, I hope. :)

slow&rusty 05-14-2020 03:57 AM

Tyson needs the cash, this will help.

GH85Carrera 05-14-2020 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by slow&rusty (Post 10864530)
Tyson needs the cash, this will help.

This, it is all just to earn some money. Back when he was at his prime he had several matches that were over for his opponent is seconds. I said back then I would let him hit me once for the millions his opponent made.

Even he is not nuts enough to think he has a chance with the top 20 year old boxers. It is just a way to cash in his name.

Geronimo '74 05-14-2020 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by slow&rusty (Post 10864530)
Tyson needs the cash, this will help.

'Needs' the cash? might be an overstatement.
He's not the half a billion dollar lunatic from before, but he is still a millionaire.

And, his recent venture in the agricultural world seems to be a decent steady income too.


https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/other-sports/mike-tyson-opens-up-about-his-cannabis-empire-and-future-plans.html

Quote:

. According to the reports, Mike Tyson earns around £500,000 a month from his cannabis business that offers marijuana strains, edibles and other cannabis extracts to locations where marijuana consumption is legalised.

If he needs the cash for some reason, charity events are an odd choice, IMO

Ziggythecat 05-14-2020 05:42 AM

Golfers have a senior tour

911 Rod 05-14-2020 05:54 AM

I can't imagine what the payday for him would be.

Ziggythecat 05-14-2020 05:58 AM

Maybe he just enjoys beating guys up.

Paul T 05-14-2020 06:07 AM

He could be 85, I still wouldn't get in the ring with him!

Nickshu 05-14-2020 06:12 AM

Tyson is only 53? I figured him for over 60 at this point. Learn something everyday.

gsxrken 05-14-2020 06:12 AM

Never cared for Tyson in his prime, and can’t now either. He brought a brutality to the ring that altered the sport of boxing for me. Having done a little boxing in my 20s, I was always thinking footwork, feint, bob and weave, combinations etc and looking for my opponent’s tells. In other words, I approached it as a sport with some element of chess. Tyson brought the red mist. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face” pretty much summed it up. That, and his “Robin Givens” answer to the question “what was the best punch you ever threw?”

I was fortunate to have watched the Buster Douglas fight on PPV. The boxer did beat the puncher that night.

sc_rufctr 05-14-2020 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul T (Post 10864660)
He could be 85, I still wouldn't get in the ring with him!

I'm 55! For a million dollars, I would. (I'd heal in time ;))

sc_rufctr 05-14-2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gsxrken (Post 10864665)
Never cared for Tyson in his prime, and can’t now either. He brought a brutality to the ring that altered the sport of boxing for me. Having done a little boxing in my 20s, I was always thinking footwork, feint, bob and weave, combinations etc and looking for my opponent’s tells. In other words, I approached it as a sport with some element of chess. Tyson brought the red mist. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face” pretty much summed it up. That, and his “Robin Givens” answer to the question “what was the best punch you ever threw?”

I was fortunate to have watched the Buster Douglas fight on PPV. The boxer did beat the puncher that night.

I must admit early on when he was in his prime I was a fan but that soon changed as time went on.

From 1989: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1989-06-24-8902010331-story.html

Jeff Higgins 05-14-2020 07:03 AM

He was, and will probably always be, the most terrifying boxer of all time. We have never seen anything like him before or since. Yes, boxing is "the sweet science", and there can be real beauty in watching two skilled fighters, especially in the lighter weights where no one has his kind of dominating power and aggression. He really did shock the boxing world, and absolutely changed how his opponents had to prepare to meet him. And, in the end, he was very entertaining to watch, even if only for a round or two. In a "Christians to the lions" kind of a way...

I wish him all of the best. He is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed, and many took advantage of him along the way, making their fortunes on his back. He does seem to have genuinely changed, as if he actually did learn something along the way, in his "school of hard knocks". I just hope he doesn't get hurt, and wind up like Ali or something...

Rusty Heap 05-14-2020 07:28 AM

I've got all his early boxing matches on VHS tape..............The main betting on his matches were if his opponent would last the first round or not.



Higgins, we should have a Tyson viewing Party

GH85Carrera 05-14-2020 08:13 AM

https://evolve-mma.com/blog/start-day-mike-tysons-5-fastest-knockouts-videos/

30 seconds to win millions. Nice rate of pay.

DWBOX2000 05-14-2020 08:26 AM

I always questioned who did he fight? Bone Crusher Smith, Bruce Sheldon, Peter McNeely. I think a young Larry Holmes would have toyed with him. Buster and Holyfield exposed him. Holyfield especially. He had zero fear going into the ring. He knew Tyson didn't stand a chance. Even Tyson (which I give him a ton of respect for) said Holyfield was the best of the era.

I was a teenager when his reign started. Is was certainly an event. The black towel, shorts and shoes. His speed and focus. The ferociousness. The fear in the opponents eyes. He's was a wrecking machine. I remember the night he lost to Douglas. I came in late and someone mentioned it. That fight was suppose to be such a non event, I don't remember making an effort to watch this fight happening in Japan. Anyone know what time that fight was on local time. Seems odd that I heard about it at night.


As far as fighting today, unless he goes down to Light Heavy, he would be a dead man walking once he breaks the top 10 or slightly higher. He could take a punch but today's heavies seemed to be a lot bigger.

He had a pretty rough life and has made some mistakes along the way. I hope he has truly turned his life around.

Lastly, he was a tough SOB. He took a beating from Holyfield and just kept coming back. No quit in him. Say what you want, he had a chin.

stevej37 05-14-2020 08:56 AM

He best be careful of who he picks to fight

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GH85Carrera 05-14-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 10864955)
He best be careful of who he picks to fight

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Look up some of the real fights that some martial arts "master" takes on a real boxer. They are pretty short. Only movies have someone so fast they can dodge a punch from a boxer repeatedly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxaNAm_fWQ

pwd72s 05-14-2020 10:26 AM

"too soon old. too late smart." -Mike Tyson

Jeff Higgins 05-14-2020 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10864997)
Look up some of the real fights that some martial arts "master" takes on a real boxer. They are pretty short. Only movies have someone so fast they can dodge a punch from a boxer repeatedly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxaNAm_fWQ

Yeah, I remember the early days of "kick boxing", and "mixed martial arts" when they still fought in a boxing ring, before today's vastly over-hyped MMA. The organizations actually had to institute rules requiring a certain number of kicks per round, because they always turned into boxing matches.

71T Targa 05-14-2020 11:37 AM

When I read the thread title I assumed he was returning as a commentator.

Wouldn't that be a joy to listen to?

stevej37 05-14-2020 12:21 PM

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asphaltgambler 05-14-2020 12:52 PM

…..………….. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”...………………..possibly the best quote …..ever.

john70t 05-14-2020 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 10864955)
He best be careful of who he picks to fight

Steven Seagal married the daughter of a Japanese master to get his accreditation and took his war stories from a ex-SF advisor. When confronted with stealing the guy's thunder, they had a private resolution, which quickly did not end well for the tall actor. As the proverbs say "don't judge the size of the dog in the fight". A flat punch to the chest by Tyson would be death to most people.

WPOZZZ 05-14-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxrken (Post 10864665)
Never cared for Tyson in his prime, and can’t now either. He brought a brutality to the ring that altered the sport of boxing for me. Having done a little boxing in my 20s, I was always thinking footwork, feint, bob and weave, combinations etc and looking for my opponent’s tells. In other words, I approached it as a sport with some element of chess. Tyson brought the red mist. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face” pretty much summed it up. That, and his “Robin Givens” answer to the question “what was the best punch you ever threw?”

I was fortunate to have watched the Buster Douglas fight on PPV. The boxer did beat the puncher that night.

I think the Buster Douglas match was on HBO. I remember watching it and thought Tyson threw the fight.

Bob Kontak 05-14-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DWBOX2000 (Post 10864895)
Anyone know what time that fight was on local time. Seems odd that I heard about it at night.

I was in the fitness center at my office in Anchorage listening to the fight.

I am remembering later in the afternoon. Say 3:00PM.

What time zone were you in?

sc_rufctr 05-14-2020 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 10865346)
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Rawknees'Turbo 05-14-2020 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 10865277)
Yeah, I remember the early days of "kick boxing", and "mixed martial arts" when they still fought in a boxing ring, before today's vastly over-hyped MMA. The organizations actually had to institute rules requiring a certain number of kicks per round, because they always turned into boxing matches.

What and where is this, "vastly over-hyped"? Are you talking about Conor McGregor? If so, I don't know how anyone could consider too much hype over one guy as, "vast".

sugarwood 05-15-2020 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gsxrken (Post 10864665)
Having done a little boxing in my 20s, I was always thinking footwork, feint, bob and weave, combinations etc and looking for my opponent’s tells. In other words, I approached it as a sport with some element of chess. .

Tyson regularly beat boxers that were much bigger than him. That is the exact opposite of a one trick pony. Tyson was known for his excellent defense, footwork, and bob/weave. Cus D'Amato's Peekaboo boxing style was the definition of chess-like strategy. In fact, his career declined once he discarded this style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GH7TfTyu1U

slow&rusty 05-15-2020 06:08 AM

Tyson's career also declined very quickly after Cus died, it was very unfortunate as he was a father figure and really had an incredible influence on him as a young impressionable man. Had he lived, Tyson's life and future would have been a completely different outcome.

Don King is scum.

DWBOX2000 05-15-2020 06:23 AM

I was and am in the east coast (Boston) time.

He did beat bigger guys but who? If he got down to light heavy, probably the greatest of all time (though Roy Jones Jr. was special). I think a guy like Larry Holmes would just keep picking away with the jab eventually frustrating Tyson. He would eventually tire and then good night. If Tyson got in, grab and hold or meet your demise.

All the other greats, I have a tough time thinking he would do well. Lennon Lewis, Holyfield, Holmes, Ali, Foreman. Tyson Fury would engulf him with his size and skill. Fear wouldn't be a factor either.

He would probably beat Frazier and Marciano because of the style and his power. Don't know much about Marciano except he always came forward and was small. Amazing he did what he did.

If he needs the money, throw a few chumps his way and then give him a title fight. The name will sell tickets. How about he fights Connor McGregor? Will need a small ring side coffin with a bottle of Irish Whiskey for that one.

JonT 05-15-2020 07:11 AM

Tyson's style was not a good match up for big, skilled boxers. Buster Douglas beat him as he was a very skilled boxer and Evander just manhandled him and was a better boxer that could also take abuse.

stevej37 05-15-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 10865981)
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Some very wise words from Holyfield in that interview.
Rogan is a great interviewer.

pwd72s 05-15-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by slow&rusty (Post 10866246)
Tyson's career also declined very quickly after Cus died, it was very unfortunate as he was a father figure and really had an incredible influence on him as a young impressionable man. Had he lived, Tyson's life and future would have been a completely different outcome.

Don King is scum.

Couldn't agree more...


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