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GH85Carrera 05-27-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 10881773)
One thing to note, the Falcon 9 with the Dragon crew can just barely do the job. That is why there was only a one minute window for the launch. Very little margin.


That is a super tight window. Wow, amazing.

Pazuzu 05-27-2020 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 10881743)
Here's hoping Godspeed to our star voyagers but Musk is number two on my list of really bright guys that I dislike.

I assume I'm number 1, right?

:p

Cajundaddy 05-27-2020 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10881972)
That is a super tight window. Wow, amazing.

When you are set up to meet the ISS which is orbiting at 17,000 mph the launch window is very precise so you get it right the 1st time and don't have to chase ISS all over. Space Shuttle ISS missions also had a very tight launch window.

When launching satellites, there is no such orbital rendezvous so the launch window can often be more flexible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_window

KFC911 05-28-2020 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 10882050)
I assume I'm number 1, right?

:p

Quite possible....Flat likes EVERYBODY else here :D

onewhippedpuppy 05-28-2020 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 10882067)
When you are set up to meet the ISS which is orbiting at 17,000 mph the launch window is very precise so you get it right the 1st time and don't have to chase ISS all over. Space Shuttle ISS missions also had a very tight launch window.

When launching satellites, there is no such orbital rendezvous so the launch window can often be more flexible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_window

Agreed, the windows for launch and re-entry are always that tight. These guys don’t carry extra anything, including fuel, going into orbit and going on a leisurely cruise around space isn’t going to happen. I took a few orbital mechanics classes, there are some incredibly smart people doing some very complex math to figure all of this out.

KNS 05-28-2020 02:32 AM

Is it just me or do the pressure suits worn by the astronauts look a little goofy? Apparently they were designed by a Hollywood costume designer. They're supposed to give the astronaut more mobility which, of course, is a good thing but they do not look like something an astronaut would wear. I think NASA missed the mark on the suit design.

onewhippedpuppy 05-28-2020 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KNS (Post 10882149)
Is it just me or do the pressure suits worn by the astronauts look a little goofy? Apparently they were designed by a Hollywood costume designer. They're supposed to give the astronaut more mobility which, of course, is a good thing but they do not look like something an astronaut would wear. I think NASA missed the mark on the suit design.

They look like something from a 1950s space movie. But they also definitely look more comfortable.

RNajarian 05-28-2020 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10882165)
They look like something from a 1950s space movie. But they also definitely look more comfortable.

They are designed to be used in the event of a rapid depressurization. They cannot be used for a space walk.

Shuttle space suits were orange because they stand out against against the environment. Same reason test pilots wore orange. This bright orange also called ‘International Orange’ stands out against the environment that we have here on Earth so that in case of a mishap, they can easily be identified and rescued. After the fourth test flight of the space shuttle, the ejection seats were disabled for the pilot and copilot. I guess it was decided that everyone would have to the same chances of survival in the event of an emergency.

URY914 05-28-2020 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RNajarian (Post 10882216)
They are designed to be used in the event of a rapid depressurization. They cannot be used for a space walk.

Shuttle space suits were orange because they stand out against against the environment. Same reason test pilots wore orange. This bright orange also called ‘International Orange’ stands out against the environment that we have here on Earth so that in case of a mishap, they can easily be identified and rescued. After the fourth test flight of the space shuttle, the ejection seats were disabled for the pilot and copilot. I guess it was decided that everyone would have to the same chances of survival in the event of an emergency.

Secret Service recommends Orange too. It makes it easier to find him when he's lost on the golf course. ;)

KFC911 05-28-2020 05:23 AM

^^^^ LOL...I thought it wuz "hunter's orange"....so ya don't shoot the "Trumpy-Bear" :D....

GH85Carrera 05-28-2020 05:33 AM

It just makes it more amazing when compared to Gemini 8th of March 1966. Using slide rules and pitiful computers they completed a docking way back then. THEN, they had a real problem. Neil Armstrong and David Scott were almost killed in space when a rocket thruster stuck on. Of course they did not know that all they knew was they were tumbling and nearing blackout from the g-force of the rotation. Niel was a very experienced test pilot, and he had already decoupled from the Agena rocket. The spinning got worse. He fired the reentry rocket to gain control. Only quick thinking saved their life.

They later figured out one rocket had stuck on even though the switch was off. The electrical design kept power to the rocket. After that, there was a master kill switch to shut off all thrusters.

All done 54 years ago. No fancy touch screens. And on a military pay rate with flight pay so not much money but lots of risk.

Bob Kontak 05-28-2020 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10882269)
........And on a military pay rate with flight pay so not much money but lots of risk.

Neil Armstrong was asked how much extra he was paid for going to the moon. It was a riot as he talked about how the military deducted food and lodging pay since it was provided. I think the net in his pocket he said was $86.:)

KNS 05-28-2020 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RNajarian (Post 10882216)
They are designed to be used in the event of a rapid depressurization. They cannot be used for a space walk.
After the fourth test flight of the space shuttle, the ejection seats were disabled for the pilot and copilot. I guess it was decided that everyone would have to the same chances of survival in the event of an emergency.

It was discussed after the Challenger explosion that ejection seats may have saved crew members having ejection seats. Of course the rest of the crew without them would have perished.

flatbutt 05-28-2020 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 10882050)
I assume I'm number 1, right?

:p

Ha! B-right you are indeed but no. SmileWavy

Sarc 05-28-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 10882240)
Secret Service recommends Orange too. It makes it easier to find him when he's lost on the golf course. ;)

C'mon man. This is like having a bunch of hot wimmens getting posted in your transportation thread.

URY914 05-28-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarc (Post 10882567)
C'mon man. This is like having a bunch of hot wimmens getting posted in your transportation thread.

I apologize but I could resist.
It was low hanging fruit.
I didn't use his name.
It's in green. :p

Sarc 05-28-2020 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 10882714)
I apologize but I could resist.
It was low hanging fruit.
I didn't use his name.
It's in green. :p

It's all good. SmileWavy

KFC911 05-28-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10882253)
^^^^ LOL...I thought it wuz "hunter's orange"....so ya don't shoot the "Trumpy-Bear" :D....

My apologies too...

I spelled Yogi wrong when I ordered one too ... 39.95 + 6.95 s&h :D

URY914 05-28-2020 11:52 AM

At least people here still have a sense of humor. Unlike PPOT P&R. ;)

Porsche-O-Phile 05-28-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KNS (Post 10882320)
It was discussed after the Challenger explosion that ejection seats may have saved crew members having ejection seats. Of course the rest of the crew without them would have perished.

Yes, it’s pretty well known that the crew was alive until they hit the water. Unlikely conscious due to the altitudes they were exposed to after the vehicle broke up (and continued to ascend to on a ballistic trajectory before coming back down). I think a couple of them had taken steps to troubleshoot as it turns out - I like to think that they did that BEFORE losing consciousness and never got it back. It’d be really horrible if they passed out due to hypoxia, then came to before hitting the water at the speed they did (the impact is what killed them).

RNajarian 05-28-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 10882785)
Yes, it’s pretty well known that the crew was alive until they hit the water. Unlikely conscious due to the altitudes they were exposed to after the vehicle broke up (and continued to ascend to on a ballistic trajectory before coming back down). I think a couple of them had taken steps to troubleshoot as it turns out - I like to think that they did that BEFORE losing consciousness and never got it back. It’d be really horrible if they passed out due to hypoxia, then came to before hitting the water at the speed they did (the impact is what killed them).

The final Challenger Disaster report concluded that some of the astronauts had turned the valve to enable the emergency oxygen to their space suit. Unfortunately that was about all they could do without an ejection/emergency evacuation system.

flipper35 05-28-2020 01:18 PM

Some of the switches had been moved as if someone was going through an emergency checklist as well. I imagine that not knowing the rest of the craft was no longer present they would have continued the checklist until the O2 ran out or impact.

onewhippedpuppy 05-29-2020 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10882269)
It just makes it more amazing when compared to Gemini 8th of March 1966. Using slide rules and pitiful computers they completed a docking way back then. THEN, they had a real problem. Neil Armstrong and David Scott were almost killed in space when a rocket thruster stuck on. Of course they did not know that all they knew was they were tumbling and nearing blackout from the g-force of the rotation. Niel was a very experienced test pilot, and he had already decoupled from the Agena rocket. The spinning got worse. He fired the reentry rocket to gain control. Only quick thinking saved their life.

They later figured out one rocket had stuck on even though the switch was off. The electrical design kept power to the rocket. After that, there was a master kill switch to shut off all thrusters.

All done 54 years ago. No fancy touch screens. And on a military pay rate with flight pay so not much money but lots of risk.

Totally agreed, what was done back then is simply amazing considering the technology they had.

red-beard 05-29-2020 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 10882785)
Yes, it’s pretty well known that the crew was alive until they hit the water. Unlikely conscious due to the altitudes they were exposed to after the vehicle broke up (and continued to ascend to on a ballistic trajectory before coming back down). I think a couple of them had taken steps to troubleshoot as it turns out - I like to think that they did that BEFORE losing consciousness and never got it back. It’d be really horrible if they passed out due to hypoxia, then came to before hitting the water at the speed they did (the impact is what killed them).

They were conscious.

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Mercifully unconscious?
But even if the crew cabin had survived intact, wouldn’t the violent pitching and yawing of the cabin as it descended toward the ocean created G-forces so strong as to render the astronauts unconscious?

That may have once been believed. But that was before the investigation turned up the key piece of evidence that led to the inescapable conclusion that they were alive: On the trip down, the commander and pilot’s reserved oxygen packs had been turned on by astronaut Judy Resnik, seated directly behind them. Furthermore, the pictures, which showed the cabin riding its own velocity in a ballistic arc, did not support an erratic, spinning motion. And even if there were G-forces, commander Dick Scobee was an experienced test pilot, habituated to them.

The evidence led experts to conclude the seven astronauts lived. They worked frantically to save themselves through the plummeting arc that would take them 2 minutes and 45 seconds to smash into the ocean.

That is when they died — after an eternity of descent.
Chapter 5: An eternity of descent - Technology & science - Space - Space History | NBC News

stealthn 05-29-2020 02:46 PM

Anyone else notice how long it took then to get the hatch open after it was cancelled. God forbid there should be a fire in the cockpit.

Bob Kontak 05-29-2020 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stealthn (Post 10884406)
Anyone else notice how long it took then to get the hatch open after it was cancelled. God forbid there should be a fire in the cockpit.

You know that has to be important given history.

Maybe there's a regular way and a hasty way?

rusnak 05-29-2020 07:32 PM

Next launch: Saturday 3:22 EDT or 12:22 Pacific, is that correct?

masraum 05-29-2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 10884676)
Next launch: Saturday 3:22 EDT or 12:22 Pacific, is that correct?

That's what I read on the Nasa.gov site, 1522EDT tomorrow.

rusnak 05-29-2020 08:05 PM

I'm going to be in front of the TV and will watch the hell out of this launch. Musk or no Musk, we need some "rah rah yay go US" feelgood stuff right about now.

KFC911 05-30-2020 02:26 AM

Looks "iffy" today according to my local weather guy. Keeping fingers crossed!

Por_sha911 05-30-2020 08:44 AM

Ain't nothing iffy about the weather for today. Here's a screen shot of the map projected at launch time.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1590857096.jpg

rusnak 05-30-2020 09:25 AM

They might as well go home LOL those rain clouds are ridiculous already.

KFC911 05-30-2020 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 10885069)
Ain't nothing iffy about the weather for today. Here's a screen shot of the map projected at launch time.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1590857096.jpg

LOL....see how clear Daytona is.....Nascar would still drop the green flag at 4 pm!

expatriot98 05-30-2020 10:41 AM

It's good they got an HGTV personality as the pregame announcer.

carreradpt 05-30-2020 11:11 AM

I think this thing might just launch. Had a T-storm pass by here a half hr ago and now clearing up. 10 minutes, yahoo

Scott Douglas 05-30-2020 11:14 AM

Yeah, this is pretty cool. We get to witness some good, hopefully, history being made today.

red-beard 05-30-2020 11:24 AM

Shepard's Prayer!

Chocaholic 05-30-2020 11:29 AM

Picture perfect!

Baz 05-30-2020 11:36 AM

I was on my roof but too many clouds to see the rocket.

I'm just happy it launched!

GO BABY GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baz 05-30-2020 11:40 AM

https://media.giphy.com/media/3osxYc...NYqY/giphy.gif


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