Glad I resisited the temptation

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

2011.
That's almost brand new in my mind.

Here is a 2017 BMW interior.
Still looks pretty basic to me.

Funny how much ignorant mythology pervades curmudgeonly car culture

How it must bug you that this member of the "curmudeonly car culture" keeps his money. Yes, I could afford a new car, but when I look at what's being offered today? Well, I simply don't want one. I certainly don't "need" one.

I'm well aware of not being in the demographic car makers aim for. The younger folks love the star trek dashes...fine, they can buy them.

[sugarwood]

I'm all for keeping your money. I only buy used depreciated cars. But the assertion that all new cars have star trek dashboards is just plain wrong. Look at the photo of the 2017 BMW. pretty dang basic

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

I'm all for keeping your money. I only buy used depreciated cars. But the assertion that all new cars have star trek dashboards is just plain wrong. Look at the photo of the 2017 BMW. pretty dang basic

I did some sniffing. Ain't many as nice as that 2017 BMW from a modern traditional perspective.

That 2011 is perfect. I stared at it long time.

However, these are unicorn cars relative to the total offering.

See the 2020 Camry dash below. Not bad at all but it's different. I would not like that shiet in my face. I choose to like my 81SC dash way better than the new Camry. Am I a curmudgeon? An old bad tempered person? Is that fair?

[sugarwood]

Steering wheel has buttons.
Analog gauges
Center console is basic.
Radio is a screen. I'll give you that.
Still would not call this Star Trek

[Bob Kontak]

Passenger knee pad radius very close to hip/waist radius in this random Star Trek picture

[pwd72s]

Klingon Battle Cruiser design may have been a better word choice?

[speeder]

She needs a tune-up. Or a spanking. Or something. ^^^

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by ted

Every year new cars just keep getting more ugly.
The BMW 4 series grill, not my cup of tea.
Fire the designers that made the front end on this BMW.

I think I can hear Chris Bangle letting out a massive sigh of relief from here...

[masraum]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

2011.
Funny how much ignorant mythology pervades curmudgeonly car culture

What's the ignorant mythology that's pervading curmudgeonly car culture?

[pavulon]

These should be (2021) great! 6 speed manual or 10 speed auto.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by vash

No way. When was the last time you had to adjust the passenger side mirror? Without a friend that understands hand signals, it is hell.

My 1986 El Camino has manual windows, and no automatic locks. I have to push the lock button down and pull it up with my fingers! If I have a passenger other than my wife, I have to ask them to push the door lock button to lock the door. Most people never think of the door locks and are astonished mine are manual. Most cars doors lock and unlock automatically.

The driver's side mirror has a cable and is adjustable with that cable, but no electronics. The passenger side is just 100% manual and works just fine.

I agree with Paul, the dash on most new cars are just like a space ship. My wife's Macan is like a space ship compared to either of my cars for the 1980s, but all cars are. There is no way to get all the information to the driver without the complex displays. I have to get out and use a tire pressure gauge to check the tire pressure on my cars. The mandatory back up cameras require a display of some sort.

[madcorgi]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Is it green?

I could deal with that car until the end - no problem.

I agree, OP. I love those cars. Weren't they all green?

Originally Posted by Crowbob

So which theoretical problems might compel you to buy something new?

I felt the same way, now awlasudden I’m looking at Caymans.

I've had three of them, CB (I know--car slut). They are amazing, almost telepathic to drive. But make sure you get a 2009 or newer, with the IMS-less engine.
Here--let these pics of mine push you over the edge.

[madcorgi]

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[RWebb]

All the good design ideas were used up in the 1960s to early '70s.

we were then subjected to angular cocaine cowboi stuff

and later, the Rise of the Blobmobiles

finally the Japanese manfs. tried out the Samurai Helmet Front Ends, which BMW seems to be copying

[madcorgi]

[madcorgi]

Originally Posted by pavulon

These should be (2021) great! 6 speed manual or 10 speed auto.

Agree. Very tempting package. But OP is worried about the transmission problems in the newer cars.

[pavulon]

Issue solved:

"Also, like the Bullitt, the Mach 1's standard transmission is a six-speed manual, though this one's the Tremec 3160 borrowed from the GT350—not the GT's allegedly fragile Getrag MT-82. That's great news. "

https://www.thedrive.com/news/34075/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-a-more-track-ready-bullitt-with-ample-shelby-parts

[madcorgi]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

How it must bug you that this member of the "curmudeonly car culture" keeps his money. Yes, I could afford a new car, but when I look at what's being offered today? Well, I simply don't want one. I certainly don't "need" one.

I'm well aware of not being in the demographic car makers aim for. The younger folks love the star trek dashes...fine, they can buy them.

But you know what they say. If you never grow up, you never grow old. At least in your mind. I crossed the Rubicon about 10 years ago when I switched from a manual to an automatic DD. Of course, I live in Seattle, which has become a traffic nightmare, and a clutch gets old in that.

[madcorgi]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Issue solved:

"Also, like the Bullitt, the Mach 1's standard transmission is a six-speed manual, though this one's the Tremec 3160 borrowed from the GT350—not the GT's allegedly fragile Getrag MT-82. That's great news. "

https://www.thedrive.com/news/34075/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-a-more-track-ready-bullitt-with-ample-shelby-parts

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

My 1986 El Camino has manual windows, and no automatic locks. I have to push the lock button down and pull it up with my fingers! If I have a passenger other than my wife, I have to ask them to push the door lock button to lock the door. Most people never think of the door locks and are astonished mine are manual. Most cars doors lock and unlock automatically.

The driver's side mirror has a cable and is adjustable with that cable, but no electronics. The passenger side is just 100% manual and works just fine.

I agree with Paul, the dash on most new cars are just like a space ship. My wife's Macan is like a space ship compared to either of my cars for the 1980s, but all cars are. There is no way to get all the information to the driver without the complex displays. I have to get out and use a tire pressure gauge to check the tire pressure on my cars. The mandatory back up cameras require a display of some sort.

My summer car has no side or rear windows and no passenger side mirror. No power steering and no power brakes. (Confession, it has a GPS speedometer because the VDO hall effect speedo was crap).

It does have electronic ignition so no points to adjust so modern enough.