AH, more satire...

Funny because it is full of self defeating logic.

good one.

Worth rereading.

I will note that it is rare that people point to the mask wearers who get infected.

OTOH when a person who openly shuns the mask-life gets the China virus, the mask-lifers have a GD party, celebrating "karma."

Such bad karma on the partiers part.

Yeah... your idea of why masks are worn is why the country is f'ed up. This is no singular reason to wear a mask. If you are healthy and want to avoid getting the virus when around others, you wear a N95 or better. If someone doesn't have the virus, why would there be worry of them spreading the virus Shaun? Now I know there are asymptomatic cases, but in Island's telling about his mom, odds of her being asymptomatic are pretty slim since she's in the high risk category. She wore the right mask Shaun. She wore a mask that would protect her which is the primary goal for someone at risk. You don't know what you're talking about.

FWIW: A N95 mask with a port will allow droplets to escape. A cloth mask that doesn't seal around the face tightly, as in the masks that are being recommended for public use, will allow droplets to escape. In close quarters I'd rather have both people wearing a mask to reduce the spread.

Exactly. If she had the virus (while immuno-suppressed) she would be done quickly.

Just the changing of masks in a hospital setting is risky. Then outftting her with what I expect was a cheapy surgery mask that VENTS OUT THE SIDES both in and out did her no favors (to put it mildly)

But again, hospitals are fishing for new customers.

They understand just fine Shaun, they are just being difficult as sport.

If someone is at high risk, an N95 makes perfect sense, also staying home and avoiding other people like the Chinese plague. If they *must go out in public, just slip a cloth or surgical mask over the N95 and you are golden. This protects yourself and others. It's not rocket science.

At this point the anti-mask folk don't want to hear data or see visualizations. It's all about emotion and they feel like they are being mask-raped when asked to wear one in enclosed public spaces. I especially liked the the little lady who refused to wear a mask, refused to leave Costco, laid down on the ground and had a 2 yr old temper tantrum while berating the employees. Classy!

It's still a free country so if you are emotionally challenged by wearing one, you are free to go without. Either stay home or avoid crowds and enclosed public spaces. A retail store is also free to refuse entry to those who choose to exercise their freedom not to wear a mask. "No shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service." Freedom is awesome and it works both ways.

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I know but we really are a country of morons. Though if you think about it, maybe masks don't work at all. Just look at the explosion of cases in FL, AZ and TX. Clearly masks don't work.

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Here, let me save everyone the trouble youz biatches!

eDIT- Sorry! The Covid is getting to me! I'm going riding..... :)


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Only in a country of morons would you keep seeing that ignorant pic over & over.

The naked virus particle is of little concern. The goal is to stop droplets and micro-droplets.

Masks protect the wearer AND others. See the research article I posted above.

Masks don't work at all. AZ, FL, TX are proof that masks don't work.

And if that high risk someone has been in isolation like most sensible high risk people have been, who are they putting at risk by wearing an N95? The answer... no one. As I said before, the ported N95 allows the release of droplets, the mask most people are wearing allows for the release of droplets. If I'm in an area where there are a lot of people, I'm wearing the one that best protects me from getting the virus.

AZ, FL, TX are proof that masks don't work unless they are worn.

on the face

in case

you was wonderin'

You are certainly free to wear an N95 anywhere you think it is appropriate and a business is free to tell you to get stuffed if you try to walk in their store with only that mask on. Freedom is awesome like that.

No business owner is going to turn away a person wearing an N95. You mentioned emotion I think in your previous post. Your posts seem more emotion filled than fact filled. The fact is, both the N95 and the masks being suggested by the CDC allow droplets to escape. Do you homework.

The fines start at 50$ and go to 250$ for not wearing a mask in the large cities in AZ.

Everyone wears a f'ing mask...

Where I live, masks use spotty at best. Gas stations, 7-11's auto parts stores, bars, very limited compliance among customers and staff. In advance auto the other day, few wearing anything. Many wear mask under nose/ etc. Numbers here beginning to climb. I'm amazed they aren't climbing higher.

Complete lack of hand hygiene at all locations. One store- people prepare food without mask or gloves- even w/o covid. wth?!?

Watched medical staff in adjacent building across parking lot eat lunch at picnic table today. No masks. No social distancing. No breeze. Crammed like sardines. "We're friends, so no danger here." Forget covid, I was scared the picnic table was going to collapse b/c of all the people on it.

In higher end stores, compliance goes up. In fancier grocery stores- about 80%?, but I'm not really seeing staff enforce anything. Since they aren't enforcing anything, they aren't differentiating between masks with exhaust valves vs. no exhaust valves. I see a lot of fancy stylish non n-95 masks with exhaust valves. At breweries, people get chatty. No masks. People I see with n95- about 50/50 exhaust vs no exhaust valve.

Hospitals enforce the exhaust valves. Here's what happens when a store employee attempts to enforce mask useage- Sorry for the FB link- here's your moment of mask enforcing zen. This was a local case. The upset individual had a history of temperamental issues, but still, a headache. Probably why a lot of stores just "let it go."

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Oh fer fk sakes.. do tell us more of how they feel :rolleyes:

"anti-mask folk" :rolleyes:

" don't want to hear data or see visualizations. "

Like these?

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The mask-conformists feel really pissed off when others aren't also wearing an uncomfortable (yet minimally effective) mask. So the mask-conformists rant about how those "anti-mask folk" are "morons."

Look, all masks are not created the same. Yet the mask-conformists DEMAND that "masks work!" . . .without specificity.

That makes the claim "masks work!" either equivocation, at best, or emotional stupidity at worst.

Once again, gear matters.
If, as the mask-conformists demand "masks work!" (any home made cheese cloth anything) then why do hospital workers reserve the n95 (and better) for themselves?

Don't you morons know "masks work!"



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In Meeshigun, the establishment MUST refuse service to a non-masker or possibly lose their license to do business.

In addition, all persons are highly encouraged to report non-maskers to the authoritahs.

Anybody know the German word for ‘non-masker-owned business’?

geschlossen ?

had to look it up.

I remember when ebola was raging in Congo and a couple other places in Africa and infectious disease specialists from all over the world were flying into those countries to try to treat sick people and stem the tide of infections. Many of the local people, being ignorant and uneducated plus superstitious and susceptible to conspiracy theories, believed rumors that the health experts were actually bringing the virus into their country to kill them, so they attacked the doctors and nurses w machetes and killed several of them.

I will admit to looking down slightly on a society of people so superstitious and susceptible to completely unfounded rumors that also completely distrusted legitimate medical and public health advice. It all seemed unfathomable to me as a resident of a modern, advanced western country.

I no longer feel that way. The "anti-mask" and "reopen" movements are peopled by Americans every bit as stupid and paranoid as those Africans. I feel like I owe them an apology for ever thinking that Americans were so much more advanced and well informed. I'm seriously gob-smacked by my country right now. The Florida of the world.

Bolshevik....
Yeah it's the same out here. In the big lib cities it's required (mayor mandated). Small townships i.e. where I live. The only place that requires it is a national chain dollar store. LOL!

Maybe more unheimlich...

So yer saying that The "anti-mask" and "reopen" movements are attacking the doctors and nurses w machetes?

You should be looking down on your completely unfounded backwater delusion.

We are being herded into compliance like good little sheep, while the governor (Aussie dog) nips at our heels, and the farmer (big government) looks on with a pleased look on his face.

the anti-mask/openers might as well be directly attacking healthcare workers by not wearing masks, not social distancing, infecting others who then are sent to hospitals to be treated by those healthcare workers. The more they treat the more likely it is they get Covid.

So yes, they are attacking with virtual machetes. Wise up and think of your fellow citizens rather than be so self centereed

Yep. The healthcare workers die, so same/same.

Come on Island, give us a mask-rape tantrum. You know you want to...

This is going to be a problem.

Walmart, Sam's Club to require masks nationwide

This thread is pretty funny.


Can someone answer a simple question?

How is this virus different from all the other viruses that have come before? In the past, we protected the vulnerable, isolated the infected and kept the rest of society going.

What is changed?

Yeah I stopped at Wal-Mart yesterday to buy a 30 of rolling rock. :D Closed one exit to enforce the mask rule. Guard at the front harassed an old lady to walk the 30 yards that goes down parallel to the building to promote suicidal distancing.

**** show.

Politics.

But that is impossible... the healthcare workers can't get the CV. They all wear masks. And Masks Work!^TM... masks stop the virus.


Ok, get ready to duck..

here comes the machete... again...

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Quite simply put, it is foolish to state/demand that "masks work!" as a solution to this virus/pandemic. Saying such a thing equivocates on the effectiveness of said masks. (as if there are no differences in mask effectiveness... a mask is a mask - not true)

Now if one wants to put a qualifier on "masks work!"... say; masks work to keep me from picking my nose and licking door-knobs... then great, you say that. But, even as the 2 quoted above say, even hospital grade PPE doesn't ensure the wearer will be containment free.

Anyway, referring to people, who make distinctions and understand the relative effectiveness of PPE, as machete swinging, anti-maskers, raped by masks :rolleyes: simply outs your emotional stupor.

Propaganda campaigns to drive fear.




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Come clean Island. Surely you are just yanking our chain and don't actually believe the scheit you post.

**Countries who acted quickly, had consistent leadership working together, demonstrated universal acceptance of social distancing and masks in public:

Taiwan- 451 total cases, 7 deaths (0.3/M)
Hong Kong- 1500 cases, 9 deaths (1/M)
Singapore- 46,000 cases, 27 deaths (5/M)
S. Korea- 13,000 cases, 289 deaths (6/M)
Finland- 7200 cases, zero deaths (0/M)
Japan- 22,000 cases, 982 deaths (8/M)

There are many others but these were exposed roughly at the same time as the US.

In the US we had mixed messages from federal, state, local, and CDC leadership, we were poorly prepared with PPE, and testing had a rough start. Lots of civil disobedience regarding social distancing from both the hard Left protesters and the hard Right, and mask wearing became a political punching bag.

USA- 3.5M cases, 139,000 dead (421/M, 1600/M in NY), and a widespread current surge.


The results speak for themselves. Universal acceptance of social distancing and masks in public are not the only solution or even the best solution, but a big piece of the solution in the battle against a virus that we still know very little about. An absence of teamwork and consistent leadership is the best way to get your azz kicked and we are the poster child for this right now. We in this country have accomplished some pretty amazing things when we pulled together including the entry into WWII and the moon landing in 69. I expect 2020 will go down in history as a time we were too busy bickering and name calling to come together and attack the problem as a nation. An opportunity missed.

In the USA the government can't force people to stay home or threaten them with large fines or imprisonment if they don't obey the order to stay at home.

Most of those countries with "universal acceptance" accepted it because if they didn't there would be universal fines or imprisonment.

LOL

Nicht maskereigenes Unternehmen

You mean like Hong Kong? I guess you will need to be more precise Cab:

"In Hong Kong, which has sharply reduced new infections over the last two months, residents have adopted near universal mask use on their own. The move was in defiance of a government that banned face coverings last year amid protests over Chinese rule, and initially denied that masks were needed to quash the coronavirus."

I generally hate the LA Times for their opinews, but this is actual journalism for once.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-06-17/social-distancing-remains-as-asia-eases-covid-19-lockdowns